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Picking up injectors today. Shop said 4 flowing at 80ml 2 at 75ml. Now they are all at 90. We'll see if that actually makes a difference. Picking them up at 4:30.
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Maybe a dumb question here, but that boat does have thru the hull exhaust? Just asking because its pretty common to have exhaust flappers lodge in the drive (or y pipe) and it will have similar symptoms to what you are describing. If you have silent choice, most will never know they have that issue because the boat performs as it should with the exhaust open.
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The symptom could lead you to believe there is an exhaust restriction, but there's really no opportunity for that. The boat has "silent thunder" exhaust. It's pretty awesome. There is a water box on each side of the boat under the swim platform that fills with water and muffles the exhaust, ultimately exiting above the water line. So, it is through hull, but detoned. I took the exhaust hoses off and inspected transom and flushed out with water. It's a 5-6" opening so I doubt there is a restriction unless a squirrel made its nest in there. Both sides run equal also. Temp and water flow. This could also be a secondary ignition problem...but I have fuel pressure issues, so I'm sticking to fuel system components.
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So I noticed you said after the o-ring fix you have a ton of pressure...more than you should I believe ? What are you doing about that or what are your thoughts?
Originally Posted by Formula252ss
(Post 4571095)
Big moves today, found a cracked o ring atop the high pressure fuel pump causing a hemerage. Fixed that. Now I have mega fuel pressure. 50-60 psi. 70 if I deadhead the pump. Drivability issues still exist. The boat gets out of the water much better, but still will not climb over 4K. I'm thinking I have injector issues also. Clogged/not functioning properly. Going to pull them and have cleaned this week.
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Originally I had low fuel pressure due to an internal leak at the high pressure pump. Fixed that. Then we had high, erratic fuel pressure. That one was a bit of a mystery to me. One theory was an injector was clogged, another was the regulator was bad, or some other blockage.. I was suspect of the injectors due to my rpm's being down on the top end. As a precaution and to eliminate one of the possible bad components I had my injectors cleaned. Now, injectors are reinstalled. No sea trial yet, but fuel pressure has returned back down to below spec. 25-30. But this time I'm able to dead head th pump and get 40 out of the system esially. Just ordered a regulator. Good thing I love this boat!
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No improvement in rpm. Once again I still am down 10psi of fuel pressure, but I'm beginning to think that issue is not the problem. We'll see.
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Originally Posted by Formula252ss
(Post 4571735)
No improvement in rpm. Once again I still am down 10psi of fuel pressure, but I'm beginning to think that issue is not the problem. We'll see.
Now I have mega fuel pressure. 50-60 psi. 70 if I deadhead the pump. |
Friday is regulator r&r
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Originally Posted by Formula252ss
(Post 4571746)
Friday is regulator r&r
While you are there and unrelated to my first sentence above, Check the screen where the reg mounts to the rail while you are there. Cloggage here causes higher fuel psi than normal. |
No good
Having a rough time over here. Able to dead head the pump to whatever I want, but still a constant 30psi on the gauge with a new regulator. Maybe my gauge is wrong. Maybe the new regulator is bad. Who knows. I need to give this a rest for a while. Getting too frustrated. Time for a carb.
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Dead head ( no regulator or nothing) and only 30 psi sounds like the pump is bad.
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Originally Posted by Formula252ss
(Post 4572438)
Having a rough time over here. Able to dead head the pump to whatever I want, but still a constant 30psi on the gauge with a new regulator. Maybe my gauge is wrong. Maybe the new regulator is bad. Who knows. I need to give this a rest for a while. Getting too frustrated. Time for a carb.
So, deadheaded will go 50 or 60+ psi? Yeh, try a new gauge. Been thru a bunch of those but then again, I use them a ton. You could definatey have a volume issue, dead heading is not feeding anything but it does tell you what psi it can pump against. Sounds like a feed issue...either mechanical pump, anti-siphon valve, crack in fuel pick up, or air getting in one of the pre-pump fittings. |
Something's up in the vs tank. If I tap the tank next to the pump with the handle of a screwdriver the pressure slowly rises and becomes erratic as it was the other day. I need to change the fuel delivery system. I'm not buying an 800$ vst.
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I'll sell ya mine for $150 if you want to try another. As before replaced mine and went to cool fuel because I didn't want to have to deal with possible replacement if it ever died
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I have some thinking to do. Appreciate the offer, I'll let you know. Thanks.
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Your pump should supply around 42-45 psi to the rails under full load at wide open throttle.
If you are getting less than that under WOT conditions, then you are starving your motor for fuel. Your regulator is vacuum indexed to REDUCE fuel pressure when the intake is under vacuum, but wide open there will be less than 2" HG of vacuum in the intake (setting the bypass back to 43 psi). Don't deadhead your pump unless you do it very briefly by restricting the bypass line. But if you do that, it should flash up past 60psi pretty quick. As far as your complete fuel system, the line FROM the tank (after pickup screen and check ball) should not be under more than 3" vacuum at max fuel flow. With electric pumps, when all pumps are running, you are at max fuel flow so this can be checked without the boat underway. But you can also have junk in the tank that clogs the screen when underway so keep that in mind. You mentioned a sound like detonation under WOT and then replacing the cap and rotor. What about plug wires. My 502 would get maybe 2 seasons out of a set of wires before they began leaking current and causing high speed misfires (not so much audible, but you could feel the misfire thru your feet if you were standing in the bolsters. The arcing wires also made a muted detonation-like intermittent popping sound. With twin 502's ONE plug wire off lost 50 rpm. One off each motor lost 150 rpm. Two wires off each motor lost 650 rpm. Don't start beating your head against the wall yet. Just get the fuel pressure up where it is supposed to be. Keep a pressure gauge after each pump if you have 2. The initial pump should not drop below 4 psi. The high pressure pump (at WOT) should not drop under 41. Until you fix this, do not look elsewhere. Even if there are other gremlins, you NEED proper fuel pressure or you will be risking expensive damage. |
Sounds good. Thank you for the reply. Too many issues at one time. Tough to stay focused. Got a leaking drive and a froathy oil fill cap as well. Trying to just get my fuel system sorted before I tackle the other issues. There's a good used engine down the block from my house that's looking mighty tempting. "Carb to pan". Same set up with less then half the hours I have. But that's a gamble as well. I've only dead headed the pump very quickly. It hasn't been simple to test the low pressure side, but I need to do that next.
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Well, after all is said and done. I have a fuel system working at 30 psi consistently . Next step is to borrow a local aquaintance's vst and see if that changes anything. If 30 psi was spec, and I had 4600rpm. There would be no symptom.
New reg and pump. Validated b+ at pump and good ground. I can dead head pump for a split second and pressure rises very quickly. Injectors serviced. Boat runs great. No misfire. Starts immediately ever time with authority. Only thing I haven't done is validate my fuel pressure with another gauge. |
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