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Interceptor 10-25-2017 08:50 PM

Mercruiser 454/420 exhaust risers
 
Anyone have any knowledge regarding which height exhaust riser works on the mercruiser 454/420's using EMI exhaust manifolds ? They have a standard and 3" higher riser. The standard states not to be used on engines with aftermarket camshafts. These engines have the mercruiser supplied camshafts.
My question centers around reversion and also hatch clearance.
thanks, ed

Griff 10-26-2017 12:59 AM

The 454/420's were mated to TRS drives. Is that what you have??

Reversion is more about the downward angle and length of riser. TRS risers are longer and water mixes farther down.

I ran standard long IMCO risers with a cam slightly more aggressive than the 420 cam and didn't have any issues

AllDodge 10-26-2017 07:13 AM

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Standard install measurements

Interceptor 10-26-2017 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by Griff (Post 4590187)
The 454/420's were mated to TRS drives. Is that what you have??

Reversion is more about the downward angle and length of riser. TRS risers are longer and water mixes farther down.

I ran standard long IMCO risers with a cam slightly more aggressive than the 420 cam and didn't have any issues


This is in a Bravo application with silent choice.

AllDodge 10-26-2017 08:57 AM

My 502 (415hp) was using EMI's with silent choice and I didn't quite have 13 inches up from the water with no issues. After rebuild I removed the standard risers and installed the 3 inch higher because of more hp. Still have the regular ones

EMI Thunder Exhaust System-BB Chevy With SS Silent Choice Risers Colored Finish

Griff 10-26-2017 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by Interceptor (Post 4590235)
This is in a Bravo application with silent choice.

The shorter risers with silent choice could cause reversion. There is now way to tell for sure prior to the install.
That is why EMI recommends the 3" taller ones.

dereknkathy 10-26-2017 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by AllDodge (Post 4590236)
My 502 (415hp) was using EMI's with silent choice and I didn't quite have 13 inches up from the water with no issues. After rebuild I removed the standard risers and installed the 3 inch higher because of more hp. Still have the regular ones

EMI Thunder Exhaust System-BB Chevy With SS Silent Choice Risers Colored Finish

This is about the only engine that needs exhaust upgrade in bone stock form. That stock merc exhaust can handle 454 mags, but that is approaching their airflow limit. Dunno why they didn't use the Gil design they put on everything else bigger than 454. The old 420 merc exhaust flowed good, but leaked water bad at the riser joint.

Interceptor 10-30-2017 09:03 AM

So I'm still trying to understand. Has anyone run a 454/420 or engine with a similar cam (assuming the cam is the issue) using a GIL, EMI type manifold and standard riser and silent choice system and Bravo outdrive ? and did you have reversion ?
ed

dereknkathy 10-30-2017 04:48 PM

that 420 cam is pretty much extinct. flat tappet. a lot of duration. found old thread, so old dennis moore weighed in on it. but you should upgrade those cams instead of trying to build around them.

Griff 10-31-2017 01:19 AM


Originally Posted by Interceptor (Post 4590946)
So I'm still trying to understand. Has anyone run a 454/420 or engine with a similar cam (assuming the cam is the issue) using a GIL, EMI type manifold and standard riser and silent choice system and Bravo outdrive ? and did you have reversion ?
ed

The same cam was used in the 525SC which came with Gil's and then later CMI's.
None of the parts diagrams show a short riser/tail available with the 525SC.

Personally, I wouldn't chance it and I'd run longer risers with good mufflers.


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