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minxguy 02-10-2018 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by bck (Post 4609422)
Negative on Daytona adopting the old crane box. Daytona developed the crane box and also sold their own more advanced / expensive unit. I think what's left of crane ignition after the bankruptcy was purchased by a company that made aftermarket Harley engine parts. Can't recall the name right now.

That company would be S&S, but they have divested themselves from Crane.

Ken

sutphen 30 02-10-2018 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by bck (Post 4609422)
Negative on Daytona adopting the old crane box. Daytona developed the crane box and also sold their own more advanced / expensive unit. I think what's left of crane ignition after the bankruptcy was purchased by a company that made aftermarket Harley engine parts. Can't recall the name right now.

S&S Cycle
I have the crane boxes,still going 10yrs later,msd was always a crap shoot,thats why I wired them in so I could swap a couple of plugs and run on the stock ignition system.

Boatally Insane 02-10-2018 08:29 AM

The Crane ignition line has NOW been taken over by F.A.S.T. They don't have the version with the built in timing curves tho'


http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/20...-6000-6300.jpg
I ordered one DIRECTLY from FAST and it showed up with "CRANE" stickers on it ...

getrdunn 02-10-2018 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by bck (Post 4609422)
Negative on Daytona adopting the old crane box. Daytona developed the crane box and also sold their own more advanced / expensive unit. I think what's left of crane ignition after the bankruptcy was purchased by a company that made aftermarket Harley engine parts. Can't recall the name right now.

Your correct. I had it the other way around by mistake.

ezstriper 02-10-2018 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by maddad (Post 4609159)
I run a 25 year old 6m2 box that has spent the night under salt water twice, and a pro billet distributer that's 14 years old and has been under salt water for a night along with the msd coil I still run. I've never understood the bash msd posts, except maybe the fit of the rotor in the cap which once addressed isn't a problem.

buy a lottery ticket !! also older MSD parts were better I think...they do use outsourced(chinese) parts now days

Baja Rooster 02-10-2018 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by ezstriper (Post 4609498)
buy a lottery ticket !! also older MSD parts were better I think...they do use outsourced(chinese) parts now days

I don’t know about the lottery ticket...it sounds like his boat sunk at least twice. :)

dunnitagain 02-10-2018 01:20 PM

MSD.... May Soon Die ! Ive installed litterally Hundreds of them .... and they arent worth a **** . We had to run them in NASCAR because it was the only ignition legal . Thats why Every Team has it set up redundant.
ARCA allowed the Crane box and so did the Truck Series , you couldnt kill them ! I have 2 or 3 left over Cranes running around in various toys now and no problems. I personally beat an MSD box into the Concrete, on live TV at Bristol , with a 5Lb hammer , after it cost us the race we lead 250 laps of , with 20 to go..... Felt Gooooooood

stealthfever 02-12-2018 09:28 AM

MSD boxes
 
I too have had the on the lake MSD failure, and it ain't fun. What is everyone's opinion on Pertronix distributors and boxes? Don't see much mentioned about their stuff, just wondering.

f_inscreenname 02-14-2018 12:29 AM


Originally Posted by stealthfever (Post 4609786)
I too have had the on the lake MSD failure, and it ain't fun. What is everyone's opinion on Pertronix distributors and boxes? Don't see much mentioned about their stuff, just wondering.

I know the distributor points conversions work well.

Wally 02-14-2018 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by SFOcean (Post 4608606)
Run an MSD 8222 capacitor. Brad Smith idea, voltage spikes kill boxes, especially the newer ones for some reason.

I have a Daytona Sensors™ CD-1™ Kit, Part #102003 new in the box I don't need, has all paperwork, software disc and all computer cables for tuning. Hard parts list below;
Part #102001 ​CD-1™ Ignition Module (with Wiring Harness)
Part #102002 Ignition Coil

Part #115012 ​2 Bar MAP Sensor (for supercharged applications).

When you mentioned running a capacitor it just triggered a memory of my old K5 blazer....i had a built 383 motor with a full MSD system in there...blew up two boxes inside of a year.....factory told me to install a cap....they claim the system doesn't like low voltages and it would strain the electronics....like when a sub hits on a bass note and you can see the lights dim a bit on your dash :) Anyway the truck ran perfect after that for almost 8yrs before i sold it. There may be something behind the voltage spike theory! The caps could possibly be acting as a buffer in a way....

dunnitagain 02-14-2018 10:21 AM

We also ran the Capacitor on the NASCAR stuff , but it was to prevent the back EMF from the box from damaging Alternators .
The Back EMF would randomly shut the voltage regulator down , the battery would run dead during a race . It would reset completely if you cycled
the battery cut off switch and charge like hell. Took a while to figure that out!

tunertech 03-09-2018 09:17 AM

Chinese components.

badbug 04-03-2018 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by tunertech (Post 4614932)
Chinese components.

ditto

Baja Rooster 04-03-2018 12:53 PM

I was watching one of those rat rod reality shows and 1/2 hour in the engine dies. Sure enough the MSD box crapped out.

loveboating2013 05-27-2019 11:50 AM

Still have this ?
 

Originally Posted by SFOcean (Post 4608606)
Run an MSD 8222 capacitor. Brad Smith idea, voltage spikes kill boxes, especially the newer ones for some reason.

I have a Daytona Sensors™ CD-1™ Kit, Part #102003 new in the box I don't need, has all paperwork, software disc and all computer cables for tuning. Hard parts list below;
Part #102001 ​CD-1™ Ignition Module (with Wiring Harness)
Part #102002 Ignition Coil

Part #115012 ​2 Bar MAP Sensor (for supercharged applications).

still have this ?

SFOcean 05-28-2019 12:27 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by SFOcean View Post
Run an MSD 8222 capacitor. Brad Smith idea, voltage spikes kill boxes, especially the newer ones for some reason.

I have a Daytona Sensors™ CD-1™ Kit, Part #102003 new in the box I don't need, has all paperwork, software disc and all computer cables for tuning. Hard parts list below;
Part #102001 ​CD-1™ Ignition Module (with Wiring Harness)
Part #102002 Ignition Coil
Part #115012 ​2 Bar MAP Sensor (for supercharged applications).

still have this ?

No, sold it quite a while back.

hogie roll 05-29-2019 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by Baja Rooster (Post 4609515)
I don’t know about the lottery ticket...it sounds like his boat sunk at least twice. :)

I was gonna say. This guys got bigger problems than ignition boxes. Race boat?


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