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__Sleek__ 03-29-2018 12:09 PM

SleekCraft Enforcer 28 general questions
 
Hello everyone, just got a 28 foot Sleekcraft Enforcer from 2007, its got a 496HO. The boats been running on 91 octane throughout the years, is that the right octane? As far as rpms go I need to check up where its getting to, I think it was around 4700 to 5000. Its running on a 24Pitch Bravo 1 Propeller 4 Blade, would changing to a prop such as a Mirage Plus 3-blade help? My top speed is barely getting to 60 mph on GPS, 90F Weather. Its a fast boat just want to know what I can do to make it faster on the top end and maybe some small performance modifactions if needed. Also the drive is Bravo X with a 1.5 ratio. Also curious to know anyone with the same or similar hull what their top speed is. THANKS

AllDodge 03-29-2018 01:56 PM

If your hitting 5000 RPM then I would go to a 3 blade, probably would need in the 26 to 28 range
If your hitting 4700 RPM then going to a 3 blade 24 to 23 is more doable

Right now your slip numbers are high for a 4500 pound boat at 15 (4700 rpm) to 20% (5000 rpm). Get them down to 10% and your speed gets up to 68

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...2e771cb476.jpg

__Sleek__ 03-29-2018 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by AllDodge (Post 4618586)
If your hitting 5000 RPM then I would go to a 3 blade, probably would need in the 26 to 28 range
If your hitting 4700 RPM then going to a 3 blade 24 to 23 is more doable

Right now your slip numbers are high for a 4500 pound boat at 15 (4700 rpm) to 20% (5000 rpm). Get them down to 10% and your speed gets up to 68

Ok Thanks, next time I go to the lake I’ll check my max rpm.

ar300johnson 03-29-2018 09:01 PM

In addition to prop slip, you have to consider hp to weigh ratio. Most 28’ single engine west coast boats weigh at least 5000 lbs with driver and 30 gallons of fuel. The 496 HO usually makes around 385 hp at the prop shaft. Those figures indicate that your boat is doing about all it can do without a lot more hp. It will take around 500 hp to run 70. Sorry for the bad news, but this sport takes lots of hp. And hp takes money. You can google bam speed calculator and play what if. They also have a prop slip page that helps with prop and boat set up. Good luck and have fun. Always remember that there will be somebody bigger and faster so have fun with what you have.

rak rua 03-29-2018 09:56 PM

OP, you mention you're running in 90F temperatures, I am in the same conditions with humidity usually in the 70-80% mark.
How much does heat and humidity detract from engine performance and even the boat pushing through moist air?

I haven't had much opportunity to run my boat WOT but with a 496ho and 26" Bravo prop, I've only seen about 62 on gps at 5,000 rpm. I've heard a 27zr should be doing around 70 but maybe that's running very light on a downhill lake with a tail wind. Prop slip for me is over 20%!

Not want to hijack the thread from the op but if the revs are there, what will hold a boat back?

Prop condition, mine is a bit ratty from a previous repair.
Heavy load of people, fuel and gear
Incorrect trim settings (boat riding too high/low)
Dirty hull bottom
Fresh water a touch slower
Humidity

Any ideas to help us with our slooow boats?

RR

EDIT: I'm sure there's hundreds of Sleekcraft's all over the states but spooky coincidence, there's one stored in the marina here near my boat. Had a look from outside and it fits your description perfectly! (In a country with very few go fast boats)







__Sleek__ 03-29-2018 10:11 PM

I know the hotter the weather the less power engines make, thus the reason for Cold Air Intakes. These engines are set at a 5150 Rev limiter.It also has a lot to do with hull shape, some boats have faster hulls. As far as load I have no problem getting to high 50s with a full load(around 57-58) , Just want to try out a three blade mirage plus and see. Thanks

Boatally Insane 03-30-2018 06:53 AM

My '05 Velocity 290 with a 496 Mag HO, would run 70 when it was cool but only 63ish when it was 100° out...

I sent the ECM to Whipple for their stage 2 tune, which also requires a thermostat change, THEN it would run 70 even when it was HOT out... :)

https://whipplesuperchargers.com/ind...&product_id=52

__Sleek__ 03-30-2018 02:18 PM

Trim
 
Also anyone know how high up a bravo x should trim up, I have no limiter and it was smooth all the way until a rooster tail around 3/4 trim.

AllDodge 03-30-2018 02:31 PM

Need to keep the drive no higher then 21 3/4 inch, this way it stays supported by the gimbal ring

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...73a706ada1.jpg

__Sleek__ 03-30-2018 03:14 PM

Ok thanks I’ll measure it. What about octane? Any specific octane, boats been running on 91 since day one.

__Sleek__ 04-07-2018 10:52 PM

WOT Full tank of gas 4500 RPM @ 60 Mph about 95F trimmed below half and okay water.

rak rua 04-07-2018 11:45 PM

Prop slip at 12% is good but your rpm's are down. Others on here know more about props, hopefully they'll have some suggestions.

If you haven't found it already, here is the BBlades slip calculator
BBLADES - Prop Slip Calculator

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...8d74e49b6e.png

AllDodge 04-08-2018 07:20 AM


What about octane? Any specific octane, boats been running on 91 since day one.
You should run 87, the higher octane is not helping anything but making the wallet lighter

Agree, need to get the rpm's closer to 5000. If you could try a 22-4 blade

Boatally Insane 04-08-2018 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by rak rua (Post 4620433)
Prop slip at 12% is good but your rpm's are down. Others on here know more about props, hopefully they'll have some suggestions.

If you haven't found it already, here is the BBlades slip calculator
BBLADES - Prop Slip Calculator

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...8d74e49b6e.png

Bravo props are 1 pitch light.. a 24 Bravo I is actually a 23 pitch prop...

rak rua 04-08-2018 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by Boatally Insane (Post 4620472)
Bravo props are 1 pitch light.. a 24 Bravo I is actually a 23 pitch prop...

Common knowledge?
I would never have known, thank you. :)







__Sleek__ 04-08-2018 10:40 AM

Ok thanks

__Sleek__ 05-10-2018 10:46 PM

Anyone know how a 22 pitch bravo 1 prop @ 15.25 size? Would that just spin fast and do nothing ? Or should I go with a 24 pitch bravo 1 except get a 14.25 inch size? Thanks

AllDodge 05-11-2018 06:49 AM

Currently have 24-4 blade at WOT is 4500 @ 60
The 24-3 blade should get closer to 4700, the 22 3 blade should get you closer to 5000 IMO.

__Sleek__ 05-12-2018 01:16 PM

So do you think a 22 pitch bravo 1 with 15.25 is too small? It’s a 28 foot boat.

AllDodge 05-12-2018 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by __Sleek__ (Post 4626050)
So do you think a 22 pitch bravo 1 with 15.25 is too small? It’s a 28 foot boat.

Just guessing, but probably not. I'm using the rpm numbers your providing and making a guess based on what your have now and where your trying to go.

__Sleek__ 05-12-2018 01:39 PM

Ya, see everyone saying you need a bigger pitch to go faster, but if I’m topping out 4500 rpm on a bravo 1 with 24 pitch then mathematically speaking a 22 pitch should get me a better top end. Right ? Thanks

AllDodge 05-12-2018 02:14 PM

Correct, the only way you can go faster with more pitch, is you need more HP to turn it in the optimum WOT RPM range. If you cannot turn the 24 at 5K then your just lugging the motor

__Sleek__ 05-12-2018 02:17 PM

Makes sense thanks.

__Sleek__ 05-29-2018 03:16 PM

Alright, new prop just tested, it’s a 22 pitch bravo 1 with a 15.25 diameter, rpms went from 4500 to 4900 mph rose to about 64-65. Anyone ideas, thanks.

AllDodge 05-29-2018 03:38 PM

I would say your in the great area. Between 4.5% (65mph) 6% (64mph) slip.

__Sleek__ 05-29-2018 03:44 PM

What if I sharpen my 24 pitch to a 23? Thanks

Fulltilt1 06-04-2018 10:39 AM

Same boat here, running a 22 Solis 14" Dia. looking to try a 23 Bravo 1 w/15.25 Dia. Anyone know what the fuel capacity is on the 28? I'm guessing 60-70 gals.

Thanks!

__Sleek__ 06-07-2018 11:16 AM

Each tank is 30 gallons from what we measured, so 60 combined. What is your top speed btw?

__Sleek__ 06-09-2018 10:46 PM


Originally Posted by Fulltilt1 (Post 4630032)
Same boat here, running a 22 Solis 14" Dia. looking to try a 23 Bravo 1 w/15.25 Dia. Anyone know what the fuel capacity is on the 28? I'm guessing 60-70 gals.

Thanks!

^^

phragle 06-09-2018 11:50 PM

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...4f7823b026.jpg

Originally Posted by __Sleek__ (Post 4628958)
What if I sharpen my 24 pitch to a 23? Thanks

Please post video of you doing this as I dont see how thats possible,,,,


In this diagram you are looking at the prop from the side, the red is the blade, the pitch on the top pik is say 19 and the bottom pik is say 26. its a measurement of angle or degree, not sharpness,


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