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eichhoma 08-06-2018 09:40 AM

spastic tachometer....
 
I have been chasing down ignition problems all summer long after getting my boat back from a bunch of work; transom, drives, motors, etc.... including the starboard side tach being erratic.
In another thread I posted about getting no spark and turned out a distributor came apart...
So, replaced both distributors. still had a spastic tach.
I replaced the MSD box on that side as well (now both are new) and the tach is still spazzing out....
by spazzing out I mean it is twitching around a lot at idle, any switch you push or press the tach pegs, and while cruising the tach is reading about 2k rpm's faster than actual....

I pulled the tach and sent it back to Livorsi for testing and Livorsi confirmed the tach is fine.
the only thing left on that side I have not changed is the Blaster SS coil.... I have a spare one to change it but is there any logic in the coil causing this kind of interference?

I'm not sure where else to look...
what color wire is the tach signal wire in a MSD set up? (im running the 6m-2l boxes, blaster ss coils, and MSD distributors)
and what is the next thing I should consider - besides ripping out this MSD crap... thanks.

Crude Intentions 08-06-2018 10:36 AM

Check all grounds. A loose bad ground can cause that

eichhoma 08-06-2018 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by Crude Intentions (Post 4642025)
Check all grounds. A loose bad ground can cause that

supposedly that was already done, the shop that initially did all the work said they checked all grounds and connections and everything was good there but I am still skeptical.
any possibility the coil could casue this? I always thought the coil either works or it doesnt..

F-2 Speedy 08-06-2018 11:08 AM

are those msd coils ?

payuppsucker 08-06-2018 11:45 AM

The tach wire is the gray wire coming out of the MSD box.

eichhoma 08-06-2018 11:46 AM

Yes, MSD Blaster SS coils

eichhoma 08-08-2018 12:07 PM

Does anyone think there is any good logic in the Blaster coil effecting the tach, or somehow causing some interference?

SB 08-08-2018 12:29 PM

As,mentioned earlier - make sure tach is hooked up to the box ,and not the coil.

If that is okay, try turning the cyl select switch on back of tach back and forth a bunch of times, Put back to 8cyl and retest,

Swap tachs if above doesn't work and see if problem stays or switches sides.

F-2 Speedy 08-08-2018 12:35 PM

I tried running some new msd coils on stock Mercury ignitions, they started to over heat the timing modules to the point that the distributor was double firing the engine @ 10* and again @ 270*................ they are a POS....

payuppsucker 08-08-2018 12:38 PM

^^^^^^^^^^^what Steve (SB) said................and check the ground wire on the tach and make sure it's secure then trace it to it's grounding point and check that connection. Sounds like a ground issue since actuating any switch causes it to peg out.

payuppsucker 08-08-2018 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by eichhoma (Post 4642518)
Does anyone think there is any good logic in the Blaster coil effecting the tach, or somehow causing some interference?

No

eichhoma 08-08-2018 12:45 PM

thanks for the additional info.... I appreciate the help, this might quickly get out of my comfort zone but we'll give it a shot

SB 08-08-2018 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by payuppsucker (Post 4642527)
^^^^^^^^^^^what Steve (SB) said................and check the ground wire on the tach and make sure it's secure then trace it to it's grounding point and check that connection. Sounds like a ground issue since actuating any switch causes it to peg out.

What Paul (payuppsucker) said. :bunnydance: :stooges:

SB 08-08-2018 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy (Post 4642525)
I tried running some new msd coils on stock Mercury ignitions, they started to over heat the timing modules to the point that the distributor was double firing the engine @ 10* and again @ 270*................ they are a POS....

That sucks. Don't quote me but i think the stock merc canister coil is .8 ohms and this must be matched when using a different coil ? That said, before I heard this, I had installed the HVC epoxy canister coils on several TBIV motors many years ago (10+) and still going strong.

But yeh,best bet is to stay away from MSD anything. ;(
Many Suck Donkeys ...lol

payuppsucker 08-08-2018 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4642535)
What Paul (payuppsucker) said. :bunnydance: :stooges:

Yea but it's Kelly, not Paul :-(

SB 08-08-2018 01:17 PM

You didn't get the joke. I tried also with the emoticons. LOL.
My name is Scott,not Steve. :)

payuppsucker 08-08-2018 01:29 PM

My first thought was that I had messed your name up but then I was like "nah".........I'm a dumbass.

SB 08-08-2018 01:33 PM

I don't care really what I'm called. Was trying to make a funny. LOL.Just don't call me Darr, Sunkin, or KidApache. :)

F-2 Speedy 08-08-2018 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4642538)
That sucks. Don't quote me but i think the stock merc canister coil is .8 ohms and this must be matched when using a different coil ? That said, before I heard this, I had installed the HVC epoxy canister coils on several TBIV motors many years ago (10+) and still going strong.

But yeh,best bet is to stay away from MSD anything. ;(
Many Suck Donkeys ...lol

agree, my name is Nobody not Shirley or Sue......:signs069:

Griff 08-08-2018 10:30 PM


Originally Posted by eichhoma (Post 4642518)
Does anyone think there is any good logic in the Blaster coil effecting the tach, or somehow causing some interference?

Very doubtful. My bet is on a ground issue.
Try running a ground wire from one of the dist cap screws to a good clean ground on the engine block.


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