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Baja Rooster 09-06-2018 03:06 PM

Guess the new power game!
 

After searching high and low for a local dyno I can’t find one to test my build so everyone is welcome to take a stab at it.

525EFI cam LIFT: .610"/.627" DURATION: 289°/297°
Edelbrock Performer RPM Oval heads with the chambers cleaned up.
Performer Rpm Airgap intake gasket matched
QF850m carb
Comp Cams magnum rockers
~10:1cr

Baja Rooster 09-06-2018 03:08 PM


Baja Rooster 09-06-2018 03:10 PM


SB 09-06-2018 03:30 PM

0-565hp

Baja Rooster 09-06-2018 03:39 PM

0 is certainly possible. :p

mike tkach 09-06-2018 03:52 PM

557 hp.this was determined by the SWAG method.

sutphen 30 09-06-2018 06:52 PM

1 miiiiiiiillllllllliiiiiiiiiooooooooooonnnnnnnnnn Hp,,correction factor may be a tad high.:D

jdf4068 09-06-2018 08:04 PM

575-595

SB 09-06-2018 09:20 PM


Originally Posted by sutphen 30 (Post 4647834)
1 miiiiiiiillllllllliiiiiiiiiooooooooooonnnnnnnnnn Hp,,correction factor may be a tad high.:D

Prob right. I did not catch he is a West Coaster until after your post. :) :party-smiley-004::lolhit:

Baja Rooster 09-06-2018 09:47 PM


Originally Posted by sutphen 30 (Post 4647834)
1 miiiiiiiillllllllliiiiiiiiiooooooooooonnnnnnnnnn Hp,,correction factor may be a tad high.:D

I like your style!!! :)

This guy doing pretty much the same build but with a smaller cam and lower compression got 588, but I’ll guess 575 which would be plenty. I’m still looking for a real dyno to find out.

Cam in the similar build. 242/248 duration, 0.566/0.566 lift, 112 LSA COMP stick.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...e83700f61.jpeg

Crude Intentions 09-07-2018 01:46 AM

The biggest thing I’m guessing power is are we talking stripped with dyno headers or full marine trim with boat exhaust. Usually a very large difference. Mark at MER performance has proven in back to back dyno sessions runner length on NA builds can be as much as 30-40hp.

Baja Rooster 09-07-2018 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by Crude Intentions (Post 4647919)
The biggest thing I’m guessing power is are we talking stripped with dyno headers or full marine trim with boat exhaust. Usually a very large difference. Mark at MER performance has proven in back to back dyno sessions runner length on NA builds can be as much as 30-40hp.

Stripped with dyno headers. I have CMI headers running full wet but that’s just too many variables to consider.

Crude Intentions 09-07-2018 07:11 PM

Stripped with dyno headers is easy to make good numbers. I’d say 575-600. Now the question begs are yours etops or sweepers. There will be a vast power difference between the 2. Likely in the 30 range. So dress it and with etops you’re likely closer to 540-560.

Baja Rooster 09-08-2018 01:33 PM


Crude Intentions 09-08-2018 01:56 PM

YEs. Still short runner. NA wants longer runners variable to build but generally in the 30-32 inch range with id varying. This is also one of the reasons 525s came with sweeper headers to help get the power. Of course sweeper headers are too rich for my blood. Lol. Just know you’ll be leaving power on the table over a longer runner exhaust

Baja Rooster 09-09-2018 01:12 PM

That’s of no worry as it’s not a max power engine build and I’ll be perhaps +75hp over the stock ZZ502 that I built this off of. In fact, I’ll probably switch to manifolds when a nice set pops up and loose even a little more.

IGetWet 09-09-2018 01:40 PM

Based off the other build you referenced and the coors light on a nice Sunday afternoon in September calculations methodI’ll say 607hp.

So what’s the prize to the winner?

Baja Rooster 09-09-2018 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by IGetWet (Post 4648265)
Based off the other build you referenced and the coors light on a nice Sunday afternoon in September calculations methodI’ll say 607hp.

So what’s the prize to the winner?

Another Coors light of your desired coldness! ;)

Given that I cant find a dyno willing to dyno anything not built in their shop we may never know so I must accept the highest number as that is what pleases me. So far we are at one million HP!

Rookie 09-09-2018 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by Baja Rooster (Post 4648273)

Given that I cant find a dyno willing to dyno anything not built in their shop

What?! I have never heard of a shop not using their assets/equipment to make money.

Baja Rooster 11-06-2018 08:28 PM

The only dyno shop I could find was three hours away and almost $2k. Screw it - toss it in and send it!

First start up. The distribution hose fell off of one nipple of the headers hence zero water out of the SB exhaust, but otherwise ran like a champ.


Crude Intentions 11-06-2018 11:33 PM

Sounds good

Baja Rooster 11-07-2018 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by Crude Intentions (Post 4657794)
Sounds good

Thanks! It’s a simple build but I’m happy with it. It was more than I wanted to bite off as the boat is in a remote storage and very little garage space to work with. It’s not something I’d want to do again without a proper shop.

The new game. Will it hold together for ten minutes, ten hours, or ten years??? Lol.

getrdunn 11-08-2018 09:49 PM

It does sound nice. Play with props a bit if your able i only mention cause your peak hp might be a little higher than you plan on running. Not sure.... I ran a 244-248 installed (4 deg adv) in 496 and peak hp was 5,800 with hyd rollers and 6,000 with tight lash solids rollers. Just throwing it out there.

SB 11-08-2018 10:43 PM


Originally Posted by Baja Rooster (Post 4657779)
The only dyno shop I could find was three hours away and almost $2k. Screw it - toss it in and send it!




Your near San Fran, so that is like, what, equivalent of about $200 where the rest of us live ? :)

getrdunn 11-08-2018 11:00 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4658113)
Your near San Fran, so that is like, what, equivalent of about $200 where the rest of us live ? :)


Along with a catastrophic year to boot. At least proposal A passed here in Michigan. Can't wait to see if the drive through fast food orders get better or WORSE. Low payed construction workers building house smoking weed all day etc. The finished product what ever it may be gonna be interesting. Great it passed regardless. Maybe we'll get more tourism here in the NW. Ya mon! :bong:

Baja Rooster 11-09-2018 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by getrdunn (Post 4658102)
It does sound nice. Play with props a bit if your able i only mention cause your peak hp might be a little higher than you plan on running. Not sure.... I ran a 244-248 installed (4 deg adv) in 496 and peak hp was 5,800 with hyd rollers and 6,000 with tight lash solids rollers. Just throwing it out there.

Ive got a few laying around to play with. So far the favorite prop with the old zz502 was a 25p Rev4 at 5200 with a 1.65 Bravo on the Islander so we’ll see what direction this goes. There’s a pretty good chance that I’ll still get to splash this year.


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4658113)
Your near San Fran, so that is like, what, equivalent of about $200 where the rest of us live ? :)

Ha! If we weren’t getting drained at every corner. A small rental space that was $800mo 5 years ago is $2500+ these days.

SB 11-09-2018 01:05 PM

That's what I'm saying. You guys are on our news all the time because of it being 500 million times more expensive out there. :(

Baja Rooster 11-10-2018 06:56 PM

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...a1b28e28b.jpeg
Well at least now we have extra smoke from the fires to justify the high costs. :p

IGetWet 11-10-2018 07:51 PM

Is the plan to still get the motor dynoed? Take it from someone who really wishes they dynoed their motor when they had the chance, have it dynoed!

getrdunn 11-10-2018 10:40 PM


Originally Posted by Baja Rooster (Post 4648130)


Where does the inner SS pipe end in reference to the weld on those CMI's? Be nice if it was back far enough to have wideband o2 sensors. No need for dyno.

Baja Rooster 11-10-2018 11:48 PM


Originally Posted by IGetWet (Post 4658329)
Is the plan to still get the motor dynoed? Take it from someone who really wishes they dynoed their motor when they had the chance, have it dynoed!

I do agree that a dyno would be optimal but at this point it’s shoved in the boat and hopefully not coming out. I do have a wideband so tuning on the water will be done. If it was a higher end build then I’d definitely make sure to dyno it, but it’s pretty much just a warmed over formula of a stock Merc. As long as the machine shop did their job it should be ok.


Originally Posted by getrdunn (Post 4658351)



Where does the inner SS pipe end in reference to the weld on those CMI's? Be nice if it was back far enough to have wideband o2 sensors. No need for dyno.

The water doesn’t exit until the last 1/2” of the tip which is nearly to the transom. I’ve ran a wideband with an O2 for two seasons now with no issues even with that 110lsa ZZ502 cam, which was definitely sucking water.

Baja Rooster 07-05-2019 10:23 AM

Finally made it out with the new engine and all went well! Still shy of two hours run time (probably an hour of that on the hose) so no wot runs but from cruising at 3500rpms it launches hard and keeps pulling where the previous engine fizzled out a bit. Pretty stoked with it.

The Holley Sniper works like a charm and I don’t miss fiddling with jets the slightest. Having a small issue setting the IAC to the correct parameters but it runs great.

Idle 13.5
cruise 12.8
WOT 12.5

Verifying AFRs with a wideband on the odd bank and the two sides are within .2 of each other, as near as I can tell.

Cold oil oil pressure at cold was a bit high for my taste at 75psi but eventually got back to 60 and 20 at idle after a moderately brisk run. 30w Brad Penn break in oil.


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