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Merlin 345 Grumpy Jenkins flow numbers... Stock and ported??
AS fall is here I need to refresh heads this winter since valve seals are leaking really bad, wondering what someone might have gotten for flow numbers fully porting and cleaning up 345 Merlins? I know these heads suck and are old school but I own them as they came on the boat, not looking to chase numbers with this boat really but before I do a valve job now would be the time if porting them is worth it....When I need a full refresh is when I will add some CI possibly and more aggressive solid rollers and better heads unless I can get numbers from these heads.
Anyone have ported flow sheets? |
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I don't see Merlin heads....
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World products... |
OMG DUH!!!!!! I didn't scroll tat far LOL
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So those numbers are fully ported it looks like
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World Products MERLIN 345cc Iron Head Flow Data Valve Lift--.300 --.400 --.500 --.600 --.700 --.800 2.300 ----- 213 -- 275 -- 326 -- 366 -- 389 -- 374 1.880 ----- 165 -- 204 -- 239 -- 262 – 276 -- 286 Methods used: Superflow 600, Flowed at 28" with a bowl blend 1" down, 1" radiused entry plate on the intake port, No exhaust tube, Using Manley Race Master valves. Better than I expected TBH. I didn’t realize they made a head that big. What are the rest of the specs on your engines? |
Originally Posted by Full Force
(Post 4653989)
AS fall is here I need to refresh heads this winter since valve seals are leaking really bad, wondering what someone might have gotten for flow numbers fully porting and cleaning up 345 Merlins? I know these heads suck and are old school but I own them as they came on the boat, not looking to chase numbers with this boat really but before I do a valve job now would be the time if porting them is worth it....When I need a full refresh is when I will add some CI possibly and more aggressive solid rollers and better heads unless I can get numbers from these heads.
Anyone have ported flow sheets? Imo any hand or custom port job would probably beat that, but guys hate doing iron by hand due to the time it takes. |
My old Valako ported Merlins were wedged to 316 cc's and my flow #'s. Maybe not a true comparison, but hope it helps.
Lift___in. ex. .200 151 133 .300 213 165 .400 277 222 .500 326 251 .600 362 254 .650 371 260 .700 377 262 |
Thanks, I have to refesh heads this winter so I thought about porting for cheap HP,Joe (Mild thunder) ran my engines on his Dyno sim and with a much better flowing head they made 50 more HP each, that may be worth it if I can get the numbers where they need to be...
my engines are 548 Dart tall deck shortblocks 11CC dome pistons Merlin 345's 10.6:1 254/[email protected] .595/.595 LSA114 cams 1.7 Crane golds Brodix HV2005 4500 intakes Holly HP 1050 Dominators |
What will you be into your current heads for once rebuilt and what will you be replacing? |
Not sure yet, but savings of buying new castings, I get my work done fairly cheap as it's a friend also.
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I do not know your combo, but 345's are large for normal size(468-509) boat engines, unless I'm off on this opening up the ports a bit more not going to give you much at the RPM's we usually see ?
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I am 548CI, they are still a tad large to me but these engines were also done 20 years ago before all the good heads we have now... opening up ports and making better flow don’t always happen at same time, you can gain flow without hogging them. |
An old thread. You may have seen but thought I'd post anyway. https://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/...ast-heads.html |
Saw that, Didn't see numbers.. ugh
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How old are the heads? The decks on those heads were notorious for caving in on the combustion chambers and getting holes. Had it happen to me two times on my engines many many years ago. If the heads need seats and guides anyway it might not be worth the fuss to fix them and then have them ported. But I guess you'll find out soon enough!
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Pretty sure 1999 era when emgines were redone.. |
They have a 26* valve angle. Most aftermarket performance heads have a 24* valve angle.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...af74c0814c.jpg Heres some flow numbers from my head guy. All flowed on same bench, same fixture, etc |
Isn’t the EQ what you went with? |
Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
(Post 4654570)
They have a 26* valve angle. Most aftermarket performance heads have a 24* valve angle.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...af74c0814c.jpg Heres some flow numbers from my head guy. All flowed on same bench, same fixture, etc |
Originally Posted by Gimme Fuel
(Post 4654621)
Looks like the EQ heads are killer for the money. Also looks like if one was to spend time porting them, focus on the exhaust runners......
Ive seen some numbers on some fully ported versions of them, with some big cfm numbers . |
Well refreshing heads and my head guy says there is a cheap and easy 30 cfm to be had, so I am going to clean these up for now, not fully working them but since I need to do valve job why not pick up a few HP as merlins leave a lot to be desired... 30 CFM or more has to gain something...
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Originally Posted by Full Force
(Post 4667689)
Well refreshing heads and my head guy says there is a cheap and easy 30 cfm to be had, so I am going to clean these up for now, not fully working them but since I need to do valve job why not pick up a few HP as merlins leave a lot to be desired... 30 CFM or more has to gain something...
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duration yes, lift questionable, cams are .600
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https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...fa45fab1b4.png Well got some numbers today, we are gonna clean them up some but not go nuts, I am not gonna spend the money to fully work them right now, if ever, but there is decent gains to be made while we have things apart |
Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
(Post 4654570)
They have a 26* valve angle. Most aftermarket performance heads have a 24* valve angle.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...af74c0814c.jpg Heres some flow numbers from my head guy. All flowed on same bench, same fixture, etc |
Originally Posted by Rookie
(Post 4667870)
Ported 345's almost the same as stock Merlin 320's?
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Originally Posted by Full Force
(Post 4667871)
mine are box stock those are the numbers as of now. I was looking at the comparison that MT posted. Not especially interested in the #'s, more interested in the comparison using the same test equipment. Looks like the Darts were knocked in the dicl< after porting. |
yea, they will be better but not going full working, just getting some things done, should see 30 CFm or so..
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