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SABER28 11-03-2018 08:51 PM

hot oil pressure
 
would you be comfortable with 14 psi hot oil pressure at 800 in gear idle?

compedgemarine 11-03-2018 10:02 PM

mechanical or electric gauge? the 454 in my jet boat idled at around 700 and had maybe 20 psi and it lived thru hell with me in that boat. 14, if actual is still a little low. what oil, filter etc and is this something new or has it always been low?

SABER28 11-03-2018 10:16 PM

checked with both. new builds by a very good shop. 20w 50 valvoline vr1. hardin thermostatic oil filter mount and 3 x 20 cooler. -12 an lines, wix filter, cant remember number but it holds over a quart. canton pans, melling pumps

Griff 11-04-2018 01:57 AM

How is the pressure at higher rpms?? You have good sized oil lines so its still flowing a lot of oil.

Full Force 11-04-2018 07:05 AM

I prefer to see more, but a lot depends on build, clearance and pump springs, what you see at 4000? WOT?

f_inscreenname 11-04-2018 08:04 AM

Really depends on what oil pump. Anti Cav pumps are low at low RPM's

SABER28 11-04-2018 09:34 AM

its about 70 at 5700 rpm. it will bump up to 20 plus at 1100 rpms. when the oil temp is only 140 the pressure is about 20-25 at 800 rpm idle.

Griff 11-04-2018 11:48 AM

I would say that if you have some hours on the engines and the pressures have remained steady that they are fine.

getrdunn 11-04-2018 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by SABER28 (Post 4657402)
its about 70 at 5700 rpm. it will bump up to 20 plus at 1100 rpms. when the oil temp is only 140 the pressure is about 20-25 at 800 rpm idle.

Sounds fines to me. Like the old rule of thumb 10 pds per every 1k rpm. I'd just ck it all the way through at all rpm levels but sounds like your fine. I have a built 421 in a muscle car with tighter clearances and rpm to high at idle. Yet I can't idle below 1k. What kind of speeds and power you have. I had the old original red 87 years ago. Fun boat.

SABER28 11-04-2018 12:37 PM

they are 557 bbc's based off bulldog 500's. they have about 25 hours on them. 650 hp on dyno. runs 93 on the gps. engines run great but that needle down on the gauge scares me.both engines read exactly the same.

RBeyer 11-04-2018 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by SABER28 (Post 4657402)
its about 70 at 5700 rpm. it will bump up to 20 plus at 1100 rpms. when the oil temp is only 140 the pressure is about 20-25 at 800 rpm idle.

It bumps right up and you are good at RPM, Your large oil lines and T-Stats all contribute, I ran a build that was almost exact for 6 years and my builder said it was normal.

Full Force 11-05-2018 05:20 AM


Originally Posted by SABER28 (Post 4657402)
its about 70 at 5700 rpm. it will bump up to 20 plus at 1100 rpms. when the oil temp is only 140 the pressure is about 20-25 at 800 rpm idle.

That's fine then, just gets warm, if you had 45-50 WOT then I would say worry, run it!

SABER28 11-05-2018 07:14 PM

builder thinks that the lifters and the valve spring oilers are bleeding off some oil and lowering the pump volume at low rpm's. since they are already hv pumps do the new billet melling pumps provide any more volume?

Full Force 11-05-2018 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by SABER28 (Post 4657618)
builder thinks that the lifters and the valve spring oilers are bleeding off some oil and lowering the pump volume at low rpm's. since they are already hv pumps do the new billet melling pumps provide any more volume?

I know I ran the melling select pumps, I opened lifter bores to .0022 and also opened lifters to increase more oil to rockers, guys said I would lose a lot of pressure, I did not, also have big clearancing.. ran 80 PSI, anything over 1500, was 3-40 idle

SABER28 11-05-2018 10:01 PM

my lifter bores are bushed, lifters have oiling to the cam,if i remember correctly? keith eickert valve spring oiling.https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...403895c820.jpg
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ICDEDPPL 11-05-2018 10:01 PM

Spring oilers will eat about 10psi. I put check valves inline... I adjusted them to close anything below 35psi (no need to push oil up there at idle)
Anything below 40psi they are really just dribbling not really spraying anything .


https://www.hylokusa.com/catalog/one...e-check-valves

SABER28 11-05-2018 10:24 PM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4657640)
Spring oilers will eat about 10psi. I put check valves inline... I adjusted them to close anything below 35psi (no need to push oil up there at idle)
Anything below 40psi they are really just dribbling not really spraying anything .


https://www.hylokusa.com/catalog/one...e-check-valves

great! looking for something to restrict flow at idle. mine are plugged right now, didnt seem to make any difference in oil pressure though.

Baja Rooster 11-05-2018 10:42 PM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4657640)
Spring oilers will eat about 10psi. I put check valves inline... I adjusted them to close anything below 35psi (no need to push oil up there at idle)
Anything below 40psi they are really just dribbling not really spraying anything .


https://www.hylokusa.com/catalog/one...e-check-valves

That beats yanking the engines!

SABER28 11-05-2018 11:19 PM


Originally Posted by Baja Rooster (Post 4657643)


That beats yanking the engines!

and thats the question i'm trying to answer. pull them but do what?. is there anything i can do to bump up the pressure? they run great, idle like stock, and throttle response is unbelievable. is there really anything wrong? i'm taking it from the posts here that there isnt. these engines are a result of 7 years of planning and saving money to build. they are pure overkill from a build standpoint. every part on these things are capable of handling much more hp than they are being asked to now.

Griff 11-06-2018 01:35 AM

Some good info https://www.melling.com/aftermarket-...u-k/technical/

ezstriper 11-06-2018 05:40 AM

2 things, the #12 lines are large(not bad) and the valve spring coolers both lower the pressure, I know a lot of stock BB mercs go scary low at idle but live fine. I would try Penn Grade strait 50 oil and see what that does, other than that I think you will be fine with pressure you are saying at high RPM...

Rookie 11-06-2018 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by SABER28 (Post 4657646)
and thats the question i'm trying to answer. pull them but do what?. is there really anything wrong? i'm taking it from the posts here that there isnt. these engines are a result of 7 years of planning and saving money to build. they are pure overkill from a build standpoint. every part on these things are capable of handling much more hp than they are being asked to now.

Remove oil filter, cut open and inspect. A lot of material that should not be in there then pull engine. No suspect material... boat on and don't worry.
Pressure is the inverse to flow. More pressure is less flow.

SABER28 11-10-2018 06:39 PM

nothing in the filters. is it oil flow or pressure that keeps the bearing from contacting the journal? i thought it was pressure.

btw ,thanks for the heads up on those oil check valves. ordered some, looks like that will cut off flow when the oilers are not needed.

sailtexas186548 11-10-2018 10:44 PM

Fluid film bearings rely on the correct clearance, and having sufficient oil flow, not supply pressure. Pressure dropping as the bearings wear is indicative of increasing clearance, but can also be due to other things as I’m sure you are aware based oN The above post.

I don’t think you have an issue, as long as the pressure at higher rpms doesn’t start dropping significantly over time

getrdunn 11-10-2018 10:53 PM

Just curious how the profiler intakes worked on your builds. I've been tossing around between them and the hv2001's on 565's. Would like long as possible runner length.

SABER28 11-11-2018 09:51 AM

i guess pretty well, didnt try any other intakes. made 650hp at 5600 and a good flat torque curve. they run great and have unbelievable midrange. they are very tall though, i have tall decks , quickfuel 1050's , 3" tall air filters , and a raised 2" hatch. and i still had to clearance the underside of my hatch. be aware of this.


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