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Smoke eater 12-16-2018 08:25 AM

New cam setup
 
Have a question it’s to late because I already made the choice and built the motors with this. But I’m reaching out to see what everyone things of this cam selection. So I did what I’d call a mild engine build on my at one time stock 330hb 454’s. I did a 750 carb. Edelbrock performer rpm air gap intakes. Exhaust and cams. My biggest question is am I going to run into future problems with my selections. If so what issues do I need to look for or what can I do to avoid these issues. Here’s the cam kit I ended up going with. I am running a wet exhaust as well. I will try to post a pic of the exhaust. As I also have a question that I’m sure someone could help me with on how to dump water further back instead of right up front. Very new to the marine performance game appreciate all the help and possible step by step solutions.

This is a link to the cam kit I bought.
http://www.jegs.com/i/COMP-Cams/249/K11-236-4/10002/-1

Smoke eater 12-16-2018 08:29 AM

Here is pics of how the exhaust is currently done. What can be done to remove the possibility of reversion. How would I go about moving the water injection point. Help would be appreciated

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...08e86598e.jpeg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...8c3285aa34.png
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...e97100ad46.png

GPM 12-16-2018 08:36 AM

I'm not an engine builder, but it looks pretty mild to me compared to what I've run without any problems.

Smoke eater 12-16-2018 08:42 AM

And that’s all I was trying to do. And then of course today I was just scrolling thru other posts and started getting worried that I was going to have issues. Just trying to have something mild but reliable. It’s just a little 89 Formula 272 Sr1. Not trying to get crazy but what a little performance upgrades.

Griff 12-16-2018 12:31 PM

You should be fine. The risers have a tall bend, so reversion should not be a problem

Smoke eater 12-16-2018 12:45 PM

What about water getting back in from the point it is getting injectected. Is that a possibility at all? Seeing that it’s at the start of the risers?

SB 12-16-2018 01:53 PM

Those are double walled risers. The water doesn't enter until after the bend going down and ust a few " before the 4" rubber hooks up.

f_inscreenname 12-16-2018 02:37 PM

I'm running Merc 496 Aluminum exhaust with a 288/294, Lift .585/.610, 112 L/S cam. No issues.

http://supernova19.com/11c780e00.jpg

Camalot 12-16-2018 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by f_inscreenname (Post 4664057)
I'm running Merc 496 Aluminum exhaust with a 288/294, Lift .585/.610, 112 L/S cam. No issues.

http://supernova19.com/11c780e00.jpg

Isn't it strange I was running a cam close to your duration's but less lift and I had reversion using the stock 496 risers lol. Nice healthy cam how is that working?

SB 12-16-2018 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by Camalot (Post 4664060)
Isn't it strange I was running a cam close to your duration's but less lift and I had reversion using the stock 496 risers lol. Nice healthy cam how is that working?

If one is measured at .004" and another at .006" you can't compare seat duration easily.

Edit: Also, I see f_inscreenname pic above has S pipes. These help stave off exhaust water reversion also.

Ryan00TJ 12-16-2018 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by Griff (Post 4664041)
You should be fine. The risers have a tall bend, so reversion should not be a problem

I agree. Yet to remove all doubt, idle for 5 mins and remove a riser. Look down into the exhaust manifold. For better or worse your question will be answered.

ICDEDPPL 12-16-2018 09:10 PM


Originally Posted by f_inscreenname (Post 4664057)
I'm running Merc 496 Aluminum exhaust with a 288/294, Lift .585/.610, 112 L/S cam. No issues.

http://supernova19.com/11c780e00.jpg

@.050??
That is a lot of duration for that amount of lift. Hows the valve train like those ramps? Damn

f_inscreenname 12-17-2018 12:42 AM

This is my mark IV, 454, stroked and roller'ed to a 496. I have to say I didn't always build winners but I seemed to hit it right with this one. No reversion issues. Has a bit of a lope during idle but besides that.... Most everything is off the shelf. Open 118 heads but use +18 dome pistons making it about 9.5 to 1 so its even good with pump gas.
Build sheet >>>> http://www.supernova19.com/current_b...nova19_com.htm

hogie roll 12-17-2018 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by f_inscreenname (Post 4664130)
this is my mark iv, 454, stroked and roller'ed to a 496. I have to say i didn't always build winners but i seemed to hit it right with this one. No reversion issues. Has a bit of a lope during idle but besides that.... Most everything is off the shelf. Open 118 heads but use +18 dome pistons making it about 9.5 to 1 so its even good with pump gas.
Build sheet >>>> Current Build Sheet SuperNova19.com

231/235 112

Camalot 12-17-2018 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4664076)
If one is measured at .004" and another at .006" you can't compare seat duration easily.

Edit: Also, I see f_inscreenname pic above has S pipes. These help stave off exhaust water reversion also.

Yeah I did see the S pipes after I posted and can see how they would help with reversion....good to know for future reference!

Griff 12-17-2018 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL
@.050??
That is a lot of duration for that amount of lift. Hows the valve train like those ramps? Damn

Its a hyd flat tappet cam and the numbers are similar to the Crane 420/525SC cam

Smoke eater 12-17-2018 02:26 PM

Are you guys thinking this is to much cam?

getrdunn 12-17-2018 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by Smoke eater (Post 4664193)
Are you guys thinking this is to much cam?

You'll be fine like Griff said. Very similar to the 454/420 cam. I ran that cam in a rather stock 454/365 mag single engine boat and picked up 3 mph if I remember correctly. Been years however was a worthy swap running stock heads and exhaust.

GPM 12-17-2018 03:38 PM

http://supernova19.com/11c780e00.jpgThese elbows look like they would dump water in the motor every time you slow down.

getrdunn 12-17-2018 05:49 PM

Those aren't the ones in question though. Regardless just don't slow down. Hah.

SB 12-17-2018 06:30 PM

Most Eliminators have them.Hard to find another manufacturer that has more crazy power installed in their boats.

GPM 12-17-2018 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4664235)
Most Eliminators have them.Hard to find another manufacturer that has more crazy power installed in their boats.

I'm not picking on anyone, anything, just thinking if the riser was long enough to dump at the 90, reversion would be a non issue. I could be wrong.

ICDEDPPL 12-17-2018 09:09 PM


Originally Posted by Smoke eater (Post 4664193)
Are you guys thinking this is to much cam?

I quoted and was refering to Fingscreenname.
(288/294, Lift .585/.610, 112 L/S cam.)

your cam is just fine.

Griff 12-18-2018 12:35 AM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4664269)
I quoted and was refering to Fingscreenname.
(288/294, Lift .585/.610, 112 L/S cam.

Ooops...........didn't see that.

f_inscreenname 12-18-2018 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by GPM (Post 4664241)
I'm not picking on anyone, anything, just thinking if the riser was long enough to dump at the 90, reversion would be a non issue. I could be wrong.

Being I have had the set up for 4 or 5 years now I can tell you there is no reversion issues. It has Merc 496 Aluminum manifolds and their SS risers. They are the tall of long version but that only means a 1/2" taller then the shorter ones. From there it all stays 4" and goes to the outlets in more of a pulled out "Z" pattern. In other words it don't double back on its self. All of it leans to the transom. It does have flappers on the tips. Nothing special but it works.
You can see the angle better in this picture,

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...30abdf1aad.jpg

Smoke eater 12-18-2018 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by f_inscreenname (Post 4664381)
Being I have had the set up for 4 or 5 years now I can tell you there is no reversion issues. It has Merc 496 Aluminum manifolds and their SS risers. They are the tall of long version but that only means a 1/2" taller then the shorter ones. From there it all stays 4" and goes to the outlets in more of a pulled out "Z" pattern. In other words it don't double back on its self. All of it leans to the transom. It does have flappers on the tips. Nothing special but it works.
You can see the angle better in this picture,

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...30abdf1aad.jpg

I love the valve cover “Time Warp”


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