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Crude Intentions 12-24-2018 01:23 AM

Water bypass/pressure
 
Ok so I have carb motors but I’m running the 2 hose EFI style thermostat housing and a recirc pump. I have high pressure that’s rpm based. I can rev up in neutral and get the pressure to jump to 30+. I decided to try a bypass from plug in from of intake to a T on riser hose. (Gil exhaust). This worked. I’m going to do all 4 to get pressure back to normal.

Now my biggest question is should I need check valves on these bypasses. I did a test run with the first bypass in and things are certainly improved. Didn’t notice anything negative but just curious if these bypasses should have check valves or will it not matter?

Griff 12-24-2018 01:40 AM

Any pics of how you set it up??

Crude Intentions 12-24-2018 01:49 AM

Haven’t taken any yet. But on fitting from intake right next to thermostat housing. Hose to T on Gil riser hose. Pretty simple setup.

Crude Intentions 12-24-2018 01:55 AM

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...66dbbadc0.jpeg

The white line is where the bypass hose runs. T on the Gil riser hose. Barb fitting replacing plug in intake

GS42fun 12-24-2018 09:00 AM

What size hose did you run? Did you reduce the hose size on the by-pass hoses? Have you tried it on the water yet?

ROB FREEMAN 12-24-2018 09:24 AM

Drill out the thermostat / mercy pressure relief valve plumbed in . That’s a lot of pressure just Erving motor. , wow.

Crude Intentions 12-24-2018 10:11 AM

1/2 inch hoses. I’m just curious if I’d need a check valve to keep manifold water from going into engine. But yes the first one is done and everything seemed ok on sea trial.

GS42fun 12-24-2018 10:45 AM

Crude Intentions,
Thanks for the info. I run the same thermostat housings and drilled out my thermostats with three holes. I still had high water pressure at higher speeds. I then added water pressure relief valves. It helps, but over 4000 RPM it starts getting over 35 psi. I have been told it is fine, but I would like to get it down a liitle bit more. I'm going to try your set up.
What pressure were you running when you tested the 1 motor?

Thanks.

GS42fun 12-24-2018 10:46 AM

Please post a picture of the finial set up, when you get a chance.

Crude Intentions 12-24-2018 11:15 AM

It’ll be a while before I get it post a pic. The easy numbers to remember were non bypassed 30+ over 5k. Bypassed on one side was less then 20. This was tied to dock in neutral. So the second bypass should relieve enough pressure so it’s back to speed pressure and not rpm based.

These are the Ts I’m gonna go with. I bought Ts and nipples but the kit is too big to look clean so gonna swap to these. Also just a nipple threaded in place of the plug with some 1/2 inch heater hose from auto parts store. Clean set up.

1 Inch x 1 Inch x 1/2 Inch PEX Tee, Brass Construction

GS42fun 12-24-2018 01:19 PM

Thanks for the info. I am going to try it.

Crude Intentions 12-24-2018 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by GS42fun (Post 4665179)
Thanks for the info. I am going to try it.

let me know how it goes for you also.

GS42fun 12-24-2018 01:36 PM

I am in the Great White North in the deep freeze now. I plan on running the hoses in the spring when I get the boat out of winter storage.
I will let you know the results.

Crude Intentions 12-24-2018 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by GS42fun (Post 4665182)
I am in the Great White North in the deep freeze now. I plan on running the hoses in the spring when I get the boat out of winter storage.
I will let you know the results.

oh. Yeah I’ll have mine done in a couple weeks. Doing new fairing as well. I also added the link to my previous post about the Ts I’m swapping too for a cleaner look. Good luck when you get to it. Lol

Crude Intentions 12-27-2018 05:53 PM

So does anyone think I’ll need check valves for this?

Griff 12-28-2018 12:56 AM

I don't see any reason why you'd need any kind of check valve.

My water pressure has always been on the high side on 502mpi's. I have CMI's and may try something similar.

Crude Intentions 12-28-2018 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by Griff (Post 4665636)
I don't see any reason why you'd need any kind of check valve.

My water pressure has always been on the high side on 502mpi's. I have CMI's and may try something similar.

That’s what I was thinking. I’m sure at times some of the manifold to riser water will go intake but that would just warm up the engine faster. Only having one side done for first test proved very effective. So doing the other side should remedy all pressure issues.

motor 12-29-2018 04:07 PM

So would someone please enlighten me as to why this setup would be better than a pressure relief valve between rwp and engine, dumping out a thru hull fitting.? Other than no additional thru hull

Crude Intentions 12-29-2018 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by motor (Post 4665901)
So would someone please enlighten me as to why this setup would be better than a pressure relief valve between rwp and engine, dumping out a thru hull fitting.? Other than no additional thru hull

that would work also. My Strainers have a pressure relief port I just want less hoses and rigging in the bilge. This is an easy add without drilling or anything. If I had pressure issues from pickups/speeds I might go that route but this is engine based pressure. Rpm builds pressure not speed

motor 12-29-2018 04:59 PM

Isn't engine based pressure based on rwp speed and amount of flow thru engine/exhaust .Just seems to me like it would be cleaner bleeding pressure under motor instead of a bunch of t;s and hose up top .

Crude Intentions 12-29-2018 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by motor (Post 4665909)
Isn't engine based pressure based on rwp speed and amount of flow thru engine/exhaust .Just seems to me like it would be cleaner bleeding pressure under motor instead of a bunch of t;s and hose up top .


Not always. I can build over 30psi tied to the dock in neutral on throttle only. So mine is in the engine. Likely has to do with me using the newer FI style thermostat housing with no bypass from intake to water pump. Carb motors came with the old 4 hose style.

motor 12-30-2018 06:40 AM

Lets simplify. Forget speed .forget rpm ..forget it's an engine ..If I blow 15 #'s of water into a box ,the pressure in the box will be 15 #'s.. I don't see how it can get any higher than the pressure source

Crude Intentions 12-30-2018 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by motor (Post 4665979)
Lets simplify. Forget speed .forget rpm ..forget it's an engine ..If I blow 15 #'s of water into a box ,the pressure in the box will be 15 #'s.. I don't see how it can get any higher than the pressure source

youre oversimplifying it. We have multiple pressure sources and not going into a closed box. It’s a flow through system and and restriction can raise pressure. I’m not debating how I’m relieving pressure. I know what I’m doing and it works. I was just curious if I would need a check valve to stop water from back flowing into intake. I didn’t think so but was checking to see if someone had a good reason I would need to.

motor 12-30-2018 11:15 AM

ok captain ...Good luck with your pressure relief

SB 12-30-2018 10:15 PM

OP- do you have the t-stat on top of the plastic spacer (+)spring or element pointed towards intake and do you have the plastic spacer oriented correctly ? maybe a pic or drawing of how you have them installed so we can see if correct.

Crude Intentions 12-31-2018 03:05 PM


Crude Intentions 02-14-2019 04:37 PM

The bypasses are working great for those interested. Pressures staying in the mid 20s. Only one side bypassed seems to be plenty.


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