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MILD THUNDER 03-18-2019 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by 242LS (Post 4677721)
You almost want to go straight to a museum so it doesn't get dirty. Beautiful.

BTW - Does anyone have the dyno sheet/numbers for a stock Merc 330 or 420? I'd love to see how the torque numbers compare.

Heres a sheet from a GM crate 454HO . Should be fairlyhttps://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...b8e35890d7.jpg
close to a merc 420. Also a LS3 crate. Similar hp, different torque curve for sure. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...47cb822f61.jpg

mggdoors 03-18-2019 06:47 PM

Btw. I will be doing a b testing on the coolant system. Both are setup with 160 thernostat. One has 2 holes drilled. One has 3. I will be running them monitoring temperature stability and water pressure when we do get out and about. Figured it would be a good idea so people know what to expect when the give this a go

mggdoors 03-18-2019 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by 242LS (Post 4677721)
You almost want to go straight to a museum so it doesn't get dirty. Beautiful.

BTW - Does anyone have the dyno sheet/numbers for a stock Merc 330 or 420? I'd love to see how the torque numbers compare.

Dirty. That would be my gto currently. Redoing turbo plumbing at the same time as this build. Its a f******ing mess right nowhttps://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...34cd668e4.jpeg

phragle 03-18-2019 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by 242LS (Post 4677721)
You almost want to go straight to a museum so it doesn't get dirty. Beautiful.

BTW - Does anyone have the dyno sheet/numbers for a stock Merc 330 or 420? I'd love to see how the torque numbers compare.

I was looking for the 310-330 torque numbers earlier... Merc seems to keep those closely guarded for some reason....

242LS 03-18-2019 07:25 PM

I took MILD THUNDER's 454HO chart, eyeballed the actual numbers and plotted against my LS3 and 509/AFRs/cam (the LS looks just fine for torque now):

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...7c5da20cd.jpeg

MILD THUNDER 03-18-2019 07:30 PM

The LS3 crate is 10.7:1 static, where the 454HO is 8.75:1. I can see where the big block would shine , in the lower rpm and acceleration department.

Suprised the 6.2L LS3 doesnt make more torque, a 6.4L hemi makes around 475ft lbs.

Rookie 03-18-2019 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by 242LS (Post 4677737)
I took MILD THUNDER's 454HO chart, eyeballed the actual numbers and plotted against my LS3 and 509/AFRs/cam (the LS looks just fine for torque now):

Nice numbers.

I personally will not build high RPM boat engines again. To achieve my PK HP and speed I was spinning my engines ~6500 RPM that pushed my "legit" cruise speed to 5000 RPM's. There was never a real balance in prop pitch selection. Either spin the s#it out of them with a small wheel or load the engines with a bigger prop. Engines ran great, but running engines 6000+RPM's for miles that you hand built with your hard earned money just makes your guts pucker.

14 apache 03-18-2019 09:24 PM


Originally Posted by mggdoors (Post 4677727)

Dirty. That would be my gto currently. Redoing turbo plumbing at the same time as this build. Its a f******ing mess right nowhttps://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...34cd668e4.jpeg

be carful plastic hose on wastegates it will melt off if you run it hard enough at least in a boat it will. Came back from a ride in my vdrive and nothing was hooked up and making big boost. Lo

mggdoors 03-18-2019 10:14 PM


Originally Posted by 242LS (Post 4677737)
I took MILD THUNDER's 454HO chart, eyeballed the actual numbers and plotted against my LS3 and 509/AFRs/cam (the LS looks just fine for torque now):

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...7c5da20cd.jpeg


Originally Posted by 14 apache (Post 4677768)

be carful plastic hose on wastegates it will melt off if you run it hard enough at least in a boat it will. Came back from a ride in my vdrive and nothing was hooked up and making big boost. Lo

never had an issue in her. Been like that 7 years. I could see an issue in a boat with a much longer duration of high rpm. Longest this has ever been wot was texas mile run.

mggdoors 03-18-2019 10:24 PM


Originally Posted by Rookie (Post 4677755)
Nice numbers.

I personally will not build high RPM boat engines again. To achieve my PK HP and speed I was spinning my engines ~6500 RPM that pushed my "legit" cruise speed to 5000 RPM's. There was never a real balance in prop pitch selection. Either spin the s#it out of them with a small wheel or load the engines with a bigger prop. Engines ran great, but running engines 6000+RPM's for miles that you hand built with your hard earned money just makes your guts pucker.

rpms on the ls engine is not an issue given you keep it reasonable. As I stated in a previous post I will be chopping these guys off at 6200 even if they make more power past that. Luckily I built mine to plateau right around my mark. With mine being a cat my cruise speed is still pretty damn high. We are setting her up with 32 cutting edge 5 blades with added cupping from trailing edge to the tip and 1.5 pitch bravo. Very low slip at cruise and wot. At 4k we should be 65-70 according to how these props ran last year for slip numbers. Now in my dominator I could see where your getting at.


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