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endeavour32 02-23-2019 08:59 AM

CMI Air Actuated Mufflers
 
I'm adding CMI Aft Fire mufflers to my boat, and ditching the Corsa Silent Choice. So here is my question. I'm not giving CMI $750 for an air pump, when I can build the same thing for a fraction of the cost. For those of you with dual line air actuated mufflers, how do they work? Is it a momentary switch that pressurizes the cylinder, with another switch that opens a valve to release the pressure? Or are they pressurized to open and too close? Also, any idea what the PSI is to make these work?

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...a29ea47c37.jpg

Scarab28 02-23-2019 08:51 PM

momentary switch that pressurizes the cylinder, with another switch that opens a valve

Rookie 02-24-2019 01:35 PM

Just discussed the other day.

https://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/...i-exhaust.html

I built one with a Harbor freight air pump, check valve and a 12v NOS solenoid about 10yrs ago under $100. Use the pump for the trailer tires also. lol
I might actually have 2 CMI pumps laying around. Never changed out this system because it works so good.
https://www.harborfreight.com/air-to...sor-69284.html
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Normally-Cl...-/121090156302
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...d3cdd57c54.jpg

Rookie 02-24-2019 01:40 PM

Close up
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...901257032f.jpg

endeavour32 02-24-2019 03:26 PM

Thanks Rookie! That is what I was looking for.

ICDEDPPL 02-24-2019 09:47 PM

Here`s the actuators if you`re looking


https://gaffrigperformance.com/boat-...silencers.html

Griff 02-25-2019 12:53 PM

Sick Stinger has an air pump https://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/...ers-rings.html

endeavour32 02-25-2019 01:01 PM

Thanks Griff!

Another question for you guys running this type of muffler, how are you running the hoses through the hull? I've been trying to zoom in on some pictures, and it appears that some are just running the hose though small holes in the transom. I'm really not sure I want to do it that way. Is anyone using a thru-hull fitting of some sort?

Alwhite00 02-25-2019 02:06 PM

Latham Marine

about half way down. Thru hulls with 1/8” or 1/4” npt ports.

also, shouldn’t the pumps be explosion proof?

ICDEDPPL 02-25-2019 04:36 PM

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...d5befc254f.jpg

Originally Posted by endeavour32 (Post 4674312)
Thanks Griff!

Another question for you guys running this type of muffler, how are you running the hoses through the hull? I've been trying to zoom in on some pictures, and it appears that some are just running the hose though small holes in the transom. I'm really not sure I want to do it that way. Is anyone using a thru-hull fitting of some sort?


The 2 lines coming out thru that square fitting.. no idea where you get it thou .

endeavour32 02-25-2019 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4674357)
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...d5befc254f.jpg



The 2 lines coming out thru that square fitting.. no idea where you get it thou .

Thanks- I was thinking of making something exactly like that.

Alwhite00 02-25-2019 08:46 PM

Anyone have video of the open vs closed sound?

waveryd 02-25-2019 08:58 PM

Mine use Shakespeare or equivalent through hull fitting for VHF antenna coax for the air lines to the mufflers. Chrome plated brass with rubber seal. Newer pneumatic actuators from Parker on Amazon for $30 each use only one air line. Makes for a cleaner look. I'll try to upload a pic.

endeavour32 02-25-2019 09:06 PM

I thought about using the VHF fittings, but 8 of them would have been too much. I just ordered 4 custom plates like ICDEDPPL has on his boat.

Scarab28 02-26-2019 11:06 AM

Where did you get the 4 custom plates from?

Bajaboat77 02-26-2019 12:14 PM

J'achète du kit en France, les volets doivent être verticaux ou horizontaux? , J’ai installé des vérins électriques à l’intérieur du compartiment moteur, des coques usinées pour laisser passer une tige reliant le cylindre au silencieux.

Bajaboat77 02-26-2019 12:20 PM

error translation

endeavour32 02-27-2019 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by Scarab28 (Post 4674497)
Where did you get the 4 custom plates from?

Metals Cut 4U, I had them make 4, 1"x 2.5" plates, with polished stainless, 1/8" thick. I have a drill press at my house, so I'll drill the holes here.

Bajaboat77 02-27-2019 08:19 AM

I buy kit in France, the shutters must be vertical or horizontal? , I installed electric cylinders inside the engine compartment, machined shells to pass a rod of the electric cylinder to the muffler.

ICDEDPPL 02-27-2019 09:02 AM

Some other options:

https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=3411039

Alwhite00 03-01-2019 02:51 PM

Anyone have these? Quick question. When the boat is off and you close the flapper how long does the flapper stay closed. I’m bench testing mine and it only stays closed a few seconds after closing them if the compressor is shut off. I didn’t know if the engine was running if that would help them stay closed.

Scarab28 03-01-2019 04:07 PM

That's an indication of a leaking cylinder or leaking hose connection. Run some soapy water over each connection as you run the pump. You'll easily find the leak. They should remain closed overnight.

Alwhite00 03-01-2019 05:36 PM

I believe my solenoid is bad, just ordered another one. I’ll keep everyone posted.

Rookie 03-01-2019 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by Alwhite00 (Post 4675067)
Anyone have these? Quick question. When the boat is off and you close the flapper how long does the flapper stay closed. I’m bench testing mine and it only stays closed a few seconds after closing them if the compressor is shut off. I didn’t know if the engine was running if that would help them stay closed.

Originally mine would stay shut for days in storage.

Originally Posted by Alwhite00 (Post 4675106)
I believe my solenoid is bed, just ordered another one. I’ll keep everyone posted.

I put a check valve inline so the air did not bleed back through the pump.

Griff 03-01-2019 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by Alwhite00 (Post 4675067)
Anyone have these? Quick question. When the boat is off and you close the flapper how long does the flapper stay closed. I’m bench testing mine and it only stays closed a few seconds after closing them if the compressor is shut off. I didn’t know if the engine was running if that would help them stay closed.

Mine will stay closed for about an hour.
FYI, the ends on the actuator cylinders will unscrew and there are O rings inside that can be replaced.

Alwhite00 03-02-2019 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by Griff (Post 4675133)
Mine will stay closed for about an hour.
FYI, the ends on the actuator cylinders will unscrew and there are O rings inside that can be replaced.

i had to replace my cylinders as both were cracked next to the fitting. It is really thin in that spot, bad design. I replaced them with Bimbas, 1/3 the price and all stainless/aluminum construction. Work great. My solenoid was leaking.

Rookie 03-03-2019 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by Alwhite00 (Post 4675148)
I replaced them with Bimbas, 1/3 the price and all stainless/aluminum construction. Work great. My solenoid was leaking.

Part number? I'm to lazy to go measure my cylinders. I assume the cylinders were spring return.

Alwhite00 03-03-2019 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by Rookie (Post 4675331)
Part number? I'm to lazy to go measure my cylinders. I assume the cylinders were spring return.

yes, spring return. I’ll get the part numbers tomorrow.

Alwhite00 03-04-2019 07:00 AM

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...6c7ea24b66.jpg
You need to take the pin out of the end. (Tap out with hammer ) and these do not have a line from the vent. This did not matter to me as its a new install.


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