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Re jetting quadrajet carb
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I put new heads , cam and intake on my 280 TRS's. Where do I start? |
hard to tell, my 377cid made 380hp at dyno. 39 main rods. 73 main jets. CE secondary rods. P hanger.
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Originally Posted by JaniH
(Post 4683682)
hard to tell, my 377cid made 380hp at dyno. 39 main rods. 73 main jets. CE secondary rods. P hanger.
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You may want to consider a wideband 02 sensor so you have some idea which way to go.
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What size engines, static and dynamic compression, cam card? It should still idle, check your timing and check for air leaks between the intake and carb or intake and heads.
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Originally Posted by NHGuy
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What size engines, static and dynamic compression, cam card? It should still idle, check your timing and check for air leaks between the intake and carb or intake and heads.
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Sure it's not sucking in water and stalling it ?
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Originally Posted by SB
(Post 4683747)
Sure it's not sucking in water and stalling it ?
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What part number is the intake? If it's a square bore intake there may not be enough flange to seal the carb on a spread bore carb. Edelbrock makes an adapter plate that's only an 1/8' thick for just this. Might be sucking air around carb base.
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Originally Posted by EDT
(Post 4683746)
Its a 350cid Compcams extreme marine Advertised Duration 278/292, Lift .498/.500,
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/c...44-4/overview/ Brand:COMP Cams Manufacturer's Part Number:12-244-4 Product Line:COMP Cams Xtreme Marine Camshafts Summit Racing Part Number:CCA-12-244-4 Cam Style:Hydraulic flat tappet Basic Operating RPM Range:2,000-6,200 Duration at 050 inch Lift:234 int./244 exh. Advertised Duration:278 int./292 exh. Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.498 int./0.500 exh. Lobe Separation (degrees):112 If so, yeh,exhaust sucking water back is a huge possibility #2, engine will probably ant initial timing somewhere between 16-20* BTDC #3 the stock carb metering will be out too lunch. don't know what to suggest with your cam/comp....can't help you there as cams that large I have a Holley Carb on it. |
Originally Posted by larose481
(Post 4683749)
What part number is the intake? If it's a square bore intake there may not be enough flange to seal the carb on a spread bore carb. Edelbrock makes an adapter plate that's only an 1/8' thick for just this. Might be sucking air around carb base.
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Originally Posted by SB
(Post 4683750)
This one ?
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/c...44-4/overview/ Brand:COMP Cams Manufacturer's Part Number:12-244-4 Product Line:COMP Cams Xtreme Marine Camshafts Summit Racing Part Number:CCA-12-244-4 Cam Style:Hydraulic flat tappet Basic Operating RPM Range:2,000-6,200 Duration at 050 inch Lift:234 int./244 exh. Advertised Duration:278 int./292 exh. Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.498 int./0.500 exh. Lobe Separation (degrees):112 If so, yeh,exhaust sucking water back is a huge possibility #2, engine will probably ant initial timing somewhere between 16-20* BTDC #3 the stock carb metering will be out too lunch. don't know what to suggest with your cam/comp....can't help you there as cams that large I have a Holley Carb on it. |
Same cam, same cam part # . CCA-CL12-244-4
You just linked the cam + lifter kit. # CL12-244-4 |
Originally Posted by SB
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Same cam, same cam part # . CCA-CL12-244-4
You just linked the cam + lifter kit. # CL12-244-4 |
Some good Qjet idle/low speed tuning info linked below.
Drilling Qjet Idle Tubes- Fact, or just BS ?? - Performance Years Online Forums |
Those cams are going to want a lot more ignition advance at idle too.
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Originally Posted by SS496
(Post 4683811)
Those cams are going to want a lot more ignition advance at idle too.
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Bump it to 20* initial (idle) ......but DO NOT drive the boat like that since that will likely be overtimed once the centrifugal advance kicks in....this is simply seeing what it wants for idle timing.
You will likely need to reduce the amount of centrifugal advance so you can run more initial and not overtime the engine while running at higher RPM under load. What is your total timing now? |
Originally Posted by SS496
(Post 4683815)
Bump it to 20* initial (idle) ......but DO NOT drive the boat like that since that will likely be overtimed once the centrifugal advance kicks in....this is simply seeing what it wants for idle timing.
You will likely need to reduce the amount of centrifugal advance so you can run more initial and not overtime the engine while running at higher RPM under load. What is your total timing now? |
Originally Posted by SS496
(Post 4683815)
Bump it to 20* initial (idle) ......but DO NOT drive the boat like that since that will likely be overtimed once the centrifugal advance kicks in....this is simply seeing what it wants for idle timing.
You will likely need to reduce the amount of centrifugal advance so you can run more initial and not overtime the engine while running at higher RPM under load. What is your total timing now? |
Originally Posted by SS496
(Post 4683815)
Bump it to 20* initial (idle) ......but DO NOT drive the boat like that since that will likely be overtimed once the centrifugal advance kicks in....this is simply seeing what it wants for idle timing.
You will likely need to reduce the amount of centrifugal advance so you can run more initial and not overtime the engine while running at higher RPM under load. What is your total timing now? |
Is that where it stops advancing?
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Also, as suggested previously...you will want a wide band AFR gauge for tuning.
This manifold adapter may work for you. https://www.cpperformance.com/p-1043...SABEgKdxfD_BwE |
I can’t stress the wideband enough myself. My boat ran great but the wideband showed a lean spot right at peak torque at my cruising speed. You’ll also save days of headache on the lake trying to dial in the carbs. |
widebands almost make me feel like im cheating...lol
Every single IC engine toy I have either has a wideband on it or has a provision for me to hookup one of my handheld widebands. Since you have changed the configuration of the engines you will need to change the calibration. I would consider a wideband a requirement since you have modified the engines. |
Thank to you all. Now that it runs, I have something to work from so ill be good.
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Originally Posted by SS496
(Post 4683815)
Bump it to 20* initial (idle) ......but DO NOT drive the boat like that since that will likely be overtimed once the centrifugal advance kicks in....this is simply seeing what it wants for idle timing.
You will likely need to reduce the amount of centrifugal advance so you can run more initial and not overtime the engine while running at higher RPM under load. What is your total timing now? |
Go to a holley if considering changing carbs. Hate thise quadra jets
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Now that you have idle you can keep on figuring it out. See if it will idle with less timing because 35 degrees at full advance is a little on the iffy side. But if you think you will run it that way give it premium fuel to fight off detonation. What ignition is in there? Can it be adjusted for less advance all in?
Also SB alluded to possible reversion. I see you have the low rise exhaust risers. After an idle period remove them and inspect inside the exhaust for water. If you find water you will have to change to a higher riser. And you might want to just do it any way. And be sure your exhaust has functioning flappers on the ends to reduce the same water incursion. I did not and have been battling reversion with a bigger cam. |
If the heads are the newer style vortec they need a lot less timing. You'll need to limit your mechanical advance to 10 degrees.
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