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Psa
Just a PSA don't run your fuel low under boost, Port motor lost compression #5 in a blink, Hoping it just took the valve.
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curious, how you figure a low fuel level caused your problem?
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Originally Posted by SABER28
(Post 4699908)
curious, how you figure a low fuel level caused your problem?
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Originally Posted by SABER28
(Post 4699908)
curious, how you figure a low fuel level caused your problem?
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What it looks like to me is that the gasket failed a while ago and its been working on the casting since. Probably finally got big enough to cause the backfire.
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That is a typical head gasket failure.
Like Drock said it started to leak first, Then the combustion gas's work like a cutting torch. But that can happen really fast! There is virtually no cooling between the cylinders so that is a hot spot to begin with. I'm sure if you take a look at the rest of the gasket you can see that it is discolored from heat in those areas. Also if you measure the bead you will find that it is a few thou thinner in those spots. The block and head expand more there and along with the heat squeeze the gasket. A good chance it detonated. Fatten it up Cool it off Take a little timing out of it We had a fix that involved some small holes in the block and head to get a little water moving in that area. Our stuff was all closed cooled so I wasn't worried about rust plugging the holes. I am not sure how well it would work on a sea water cooled engine. |
Originally Posted by Mbam
(Post 4700227)
That is a typical head gasket failure.
Like Drock said it started to leak first, Then the combustion gas's work like a cutting torch. But that can happen really fast! There is virtually no cooling between the cylinders so that is a hot spot to begin with. I'm sure if you take a look at the rest of the gasket you can see that it is discolored from heat in those areas. Also if you measure the bead you will find that it is a few thou thinner in those spots. The block and head expand more there and along with the heat squeeze the gasket. A good chance it detonated. Fatten it up Cool it off Take a little timing out of it We had a fix that involved some small holes in the block and head to get a little water moving in that area. Our stuff was all closed cooled so I wasn't worried about rust plugging the holes. I am not sure how well it would work on a sea water cooled engine. |
Originally Posted by Drock78
(Post 4700223)
What it looks like to me is that the gasket failed a while ago and its been working on the casting since. Probably finally got big enough to cause the backfire.
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to me that looks too smooth to be a casting break. ive replaced 20 plus engines that broke a mount or boss in a automobile collision and they always are very rough on the surface. how deep is the gouge?
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Never run my junk 7.4 lx mpi's under 1/4 tank, nor any other vehicle.
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I've had the same failure on some old blow thru carbed turbo motors years ago ( till I got them dialed in). Happens quickly and cuts a perfect groove. Lean motors usually make more power until... Good luck.
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Originally Posted by SABER28
(Post 4700245)
to me that looks too smooth to be a casting break. ive replaced 20 plus engines that broke a mount or boss in a automobile collision and they always are very rough on the surface. how deep is the gouge?
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Originally Posted by RBeyer
(Post 4700263)
I/2 an inch or more. It is not entirely smooth, it almost looks like it let looses and the heat took over. You can see casting like a break with the surface starting to smooth over like melting. It certainly could be burnt but the block is perfect including the deck and that is the only damaged. we even pulled the valves and they are perfect. Even the adjacent Intake. I get the Inconel not burning.
this is why i went with big (557) cube n.a. engines. big , fat , and lazy engines that make good power without trying hard. those blower motors require everything just right and you know fuel quality can be an issue. |
I had the same failure in my old Merc 420 NA. Brought the head to the machine shop. They welded it up, machined it smooth, put a straight edge on the block, new gasket and it was good to go. The block doesn't get torched because the block has cooling. As stated earlier, the head has a hot spot there.
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Originally Posted by Rookie
(Post 4700294)
I had the same failure in my old Merc 420 NA. Brought the head to the machine shop. They welded it up, machined it smooth, put a straight edge on the block, new gasket and it was good to go. The block doesn't get torched because the block has cooling. As stated earlier, the head has a hot spot there.
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Originally Posted by Full Force
(Post 4700298)
This^^ block is cooled that's not a casting issue, any casting issue would surface right away, lean issues melt thigs very fast, seconds...
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All it takes..
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If a piece had broken off you would have damage to the head and cylinder from the piece ratling around in there.
You ran lean. |
Originally Posted by Tinkerer
(Post 4700337)
If a piece had broken off you would have damage to the head and cylinder from the piece ratling around in there.
You ran lean. |
My point is that it wasn't a chunk.
It was vapor. The combustion gasses turned it into aluminum vapor. |
Originally Posted by Tinkerer
(Post 4700538)
My point is that it wasn't a chunk.
It was vapor. The combustion gasses turned it into aluminum vapor. |
Originally Posted by SABER28
(Post 4700544)
i get aluminum with its lower melting temp. but this was a cast iron head, right? looks like iron to me.
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It's a common failure when a head gasket goes on an iron head. Take it to the machine shop and have them weld it with a high nickel rod. They have probably done 100 of them.
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Originally Posted by RBeyer
(Post 4700240)
If the gasket failed hypothetically shouldn't it have been very obvious from that point that there was a problem. It's a Hawk 525 SC and it sounded perfect and actually made a bit more power than the other motor, I posted because I don't have all the answers.
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