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382fastechh 08-09-2019 04:33 PM

Valve train noise 525 efi after top ends
 
Just got done top ends on one of my 525 efi. Replaced heads with pre assembled dart pro 1 heads. Replaced lifters with crane long travel lifters, measured and installed .250" longer pushrods from liberty, installed and adjusted harland sharp 1.7 s2001 rockers to 1 turn after zero lash. Issue I am having is after running for approx 45min total, the valve train is clicking/rattling pretty bad and it is not normal. Almost sounds like lifter noise but it is def coming from under valve covers. Removed both covers, inspected for loose components or rocker-to-cover contact. Everything looks perfect. Anyone have any input on my issue??

Griff 08-09-2019 10:44 PM

One turn is little much for Cranes. I know Crane used to say 3/4 turn to get .040 of preload.
I'd run the engine with the valve covers off. You should be able to narrow it down then.
Just because the stuff is new does not mean it can't be defective.

382fastechh 08-10-2019 07:09 AM

The crane sheet says 1/2 to 1 turn, .040-.060 preload. 7/16-20 rocker studs would mean that 1 turn is .050". I'm going to give scorpion marine endurance rockers a try this weekend. Thanks for the response!

F-2 Speedy 08-10-2019 08:31 AM

Are you sure the lifters were on the base circle of the cam when setting the preload, I dont think the rockers are the issue

1MOSES1 08-10-2019 08:44 AM

Makes me sick to my stomach when I read people having issues with brand new lifters. I relive the troubles we had with the morels 2 years ago. Hope you get it figured out!!

ph1971 08-10-2019 10:43 AM

Any evidence on the push rods that the guides aren’t exactly adjusted? Or one of the set screws didn’t get tightened enough? Just throwing ideas out there.

382fastechh 08-10-2019 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by 1MOSES1 (Post 4701431)
Makes me sick to my stomach when I read people having issues with brand new lifters. I relive the troubles we had with the morels 2 years ago. Hope you get it figured out!!

what issue did you have with morels??

382fastechh 08-10-2019 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by ph1971 (Post 4701443)
Any evidence on the push rods that the guides aren’t exactly adjusted? Or one of the set screws didn’t get tightened enough? Just throwing ideas out there.

the pushrods do have a tiny bit of wear from the guides, no gouging or anything. The guides are set with pushrods in the center of them. All polylocks and lifter studs marked after torquing/lash setting and none moved when rechecking everything. No sign of rockers hitting anything either.

AllDodge 08-10-2019 11:55 AM


zero lash
Some find zero lash different then others. Never done a 525, but zero to me is when there is no up/down movement, but turning the rod can still be done. Others do zero as when rod cannot be turned

zz28zz 08-10-2019 12:57 PM

Are you sure the rockers aren't hitting valve covers? Have you run it with valve covers removed?

HyFive578 08-10-2019 02:03 PM

When you replaced the rockers, did you reuse the OEM polylocks or use the ones that came with the Harland Sharpes? The OEM polylocks are shorter than the ones that usually come with other brands and the valve covers could be hitting them.

F-2 Speedy 08-10-2019 02:28 PM

you said one of your engines, twin engines, one is stock and the other one is not ?

Baja Rooster 08-10-2019 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by zz28zz (Post 4701452)
Are you sure the rockers aren't hitting valve covers? Have you run it with valve covers removed?

Good point. I’d back off the preload a half turn and run with the valve covers off before swapping out parts.

Griff 08-11-2019 12:06 AM


Originally Posted by AllDodge (Post 4701447)
Some find zero lash different then others. Never done a 525, but zero to me is when there is no up/down movement, but turning the rod can still be done. Others do zero as when rod cannot be turned

Yep, you should be able to spin the push rod. There should be no pressure on it.
Easiest way to do it is with the intake manifold off. Then you can actually see when the lifter compresses.

382fastechh 08-11-2019 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy (Post 4701461)
you said one of your engines, twin engines, one is stock and the other one is not ?

yes, I'm only doing one engine at the moment, had a pushrod pop off a rocker due to a valve stuck in the guide. Trying to get it back on the water asap so I'm not wasting the entire short summer here in Vermont.

382fastechh 08-11-2019 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by HyFive578 (Post 4701458)
When you replaced the rockers, did you reuse the OEM polylocks or use the ones that came with the Harland Sharpes? The OEM polylocks are shorter than the ones that usually come with other brands and the valve covers could be hitting them.

I used the polys that came with the rockers, the center pin on the harlands is recessed, the installed height of the poly is lower than the top of the rocker arm. I'm gonna run it today with covers off and see what happens.

F-2 Speedy 08-11-2019 11:47 AM

just curious why you didnt stay with the OE lifters and push rods unless the Dart heads didnt allow for it

382fastechh 08-11-2019 11:56 AM

I wanted to freshen everything from the cam up. Hours since last rebuild are unknown. The pushrods had to be lengthened .250" for the dart heads.

1MOSES1 08-11-2019 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by 382fastechh (Post 4701445)
what issue did you have with morels??

Had two 500efi’s refreshed including new lifters. Had issues with both motors from the get-go. Lifters did not want to stay pumped up. Thing sounded like a tractor at idle. Played with pre load and oils. Nothing worked. Ended up replacing with Johnson’s. Problem went away and haven’t had an issue since *knock on wood*


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