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Old 08-15-2019, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by articfriends View Post
So you got a good reading with all that?
i have a wideband on the port side header without all that and it reads maybe .2 leaner, but they are consistent with each other. Iím sure that itís not as good as a sensor directly plugged into dyno headers but it seems adequate. Fairly mild NA build set to 12.8 so hopefully thatís enough fudge room.
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Old 08-15-2019, 12:48 PM
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are there any markings or tell tale signs the that you can see if it is getting wet? Mine has lasted 63 hours.
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Old 08-15-2019, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Cerberus66 View Post
are there any markings or tell tale signs the that you can see if it is getting wet? Mine has lasted 63 hours.
For me it was pretty instant. Water shorts it out, the computer thinks the motor is lean and it dumps gas at it, motor dies. I didn't notice any signs before hand or felt it was getting worse over time. I went to the Innovative mentioned and have had well over 100 hrs on this current sensor w/o issue. I too verified the reading with the Innovative to be within 0.1-0.2 of the reading w/o it; I only have one O2 so I tested back-to-back using the same sensor. If you look at the Innovative, you clock it so the inlet is facing into the exhaust stream. On the bottom of the cylinder that is in the exhaust stream, it is angled to, in theory, create a low pressure area that helps draw the exhaust stream through the inlet port, up to the O2 sensor area and out the exit port. It's pretty cool.

FWIW, one other thing I did and I don't know if it helped is that I run open loop, no learn until 1500 rpm. My thought is the higher the rpm, the more consistent the exhaust flow and less likely to have water hit the O2, also, it should be hotter and more likely to flash off any condensation. Like I said - not sure if this helps, not sure if Holley shuts the power off to the O2 if its not in closed loop, but this Bosch O2 has lasted....and I've not had to hook up the PC in over 3yrs.
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Old 08-15-2019, 10:51 PM
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For me it was pretty instant. Water shorts it out, the computer thinks the motor is lean and it dumps gas at it, motor dies. I didn't notice any signs before hand or felt it was getting worse over time. I went to the Innovative mentioned and have had well over 100 hrs on this current sensor w/o issue. I too verified the reading with the Innovative to be within 0.1-0.2 of the reading w/o it; I only have one O2 so I tested back-to-back using the same sensor. If you look at the Innovative, you clock it so the inlet is facing into the exhaust stream. On the bottom of the cylinder that is in the exhaust stream, it is angled to, in theory, create a low pressure area that helps draw the exhaust stream through the inlet port, up to the O2 sensor area and out the exit port. It's pretty cool.

FWIW, one other thing I did and I don't know if it helped is that I run open loop, no learn until 1500 rpm. My thought is the higher the rpm, the more consistent the exhaust flow and less likely to have water hit the O2, also, it should be hotter and more likely to flash off any condensation. Like I said - not sure if this helps, not sure if Holley shuts the power off to the O2 if its not in closed loop, but this Bosch O2 has lasted....and I've not had to hook up the PC in over 3yrs.
I have pro charger and Holley hp efi. Finally working Bugs out. It seemed like lately the sensor was in and out, now it completely out. Idle is fine because it doesnít use O2 until 1200rpm.
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Old 08-16-2019, 10:10 PM
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Arctic, what about putting a bung where YOU want it. That would seem to be a viable solution. Get your 10 or 15 degrees angle from horizontal and try for 18" from the exhaust valves. Or does Lightning say where you can put the bung?
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Old 08-18-2019, 01:52 PM
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Arctic, what about putting a bung where YOU want it. That would seem to be a viable solution. Get your 10 or 15 degrees angle from horizontal and try for 18" from the exhaust valves. Or does Lightning say where you can put the bung?
Lightning installed bungs at the collectors just past where the 4 pipes merge, even with extending inners almost to transom just idling it on hose with 233/239 cam on 113.5 results in massive amounts of water up to the 4 pipes, idle speed made ZERO difference, timing made ZERO difference (blown efi 454s). When you pull a dead o2 sensor out just idling on the hose, you can literally shake water off it and if you look up the tailpipe, it looks like somone stuck a garden hose in there. We ripped the outside headers off both motors, there was dribbles of water even at port where it meets the cylinder head, not alot but still some. since then we welded in 02 bungs in #8 stbd and #7 port. Getting on plane or revving motor at all pull's water in a and kills the stbd sensor almost instantly, even down near the port. We HAVENT put the fancy extenders yet though, they are on order though. Ive explained to my customer IF water is getting to that stbd sensor, its going to get in motor, he doesnt want to hear it and wont make exhaust full dry, another reason why my warranty ENDS after customer sees motor under power on dyno, Smitty
Its been said more than once on here that Lightning headers revert water as bad as cast manifolds, I tend to believe that now!
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Old 08-18-2019, 10:24 PM
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Smitty,
Have any experience with the KE cast headers with regard to reversion issues?
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Old 08-18-2019, 10:50 PM
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I ran O2 sensors on mine full time and didn't have ANY issues in the 30 hours I put on it..
555 cid. cam was 239 / 246 duration
Running Eddie Marine manifolds.. They modified the tails by running the inner pipe past the outer pipe
They also put a bell on it to throw the water against the exhaust hoses..




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Old 08-19-2019, 08:24 AM
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OK, I am convinced. I was spouting a lot of car based theory. Which doesn't always fly in our marine environment.

Yesterday I got the chance to run the AEM 30-0300 UEGO gauge with factory calibrated Bosch LSU 4.9 wideband sensor.
It idled out and ran 20 minutes to a cove we hang at. Readings were consistent and appeared correct. 13.7 cruise, 11.9 to 12.4 on the secondaries. I'd call that good. Maybe I can go up one size on primary jets to richen the cruise. My carb place sent me some plus 1/ minus 1 jets. So,yuh maybe.
My idle mix is rich, so I'll get out there and back that off. And that may have contributed to my sensor shutting down.
Here is some theory about fails, one of which is rich fueling
https://www.nzefi.com/bosch-lsu-wide...-applications/

But I never had an issue til I let the boat sit for an hour or so, on the next start up the gauge read full lean, and never came back.
I'm going to do a test today where the sensor is removed from the exhaust, powered up and fed with brake cleaner or propane from a lighter. It's supposed to go rich when you do that. But at the same time they warn you that the thing gets so hot it can cause combustion. So fire extinguisher.

I hope and think that I am getting condensation in my exhaust. It ran in the yard twice, no issues. Including normal exhaust water. My exhaust flappers are gone, and I have GGB exhaust inserts right where the tails go into my 4" rubber hoses. So maybe I need to take out the inserts.
But I am guessing that the condensation could have caused my issue. So if the sensor is dead, which I expect, I will probably get a fresh sensor and that extender elbow that I ripped before.
That's an instant bolt up, plus it gets the sensor away from the wet. instead of having a bung put in at the angle that AEM specifies.

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Old 08-19-2019, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by articfriends View Post
Its been said more than once on here that Lightning headers revert water as bad as cast manifolds, I tend to believe that now!
Sure is interesting. I fortget his name, but he had a build several years back with real mild cam and was sucking water bad with those headers.

Would love to get header dimensions (ID's and lengths) + rate of fall and a good pic of how water is introduced into the exhaust stream.
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