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JohanSweden 09-04-2019 03:22 AM

Mercruiser 496 HO problem
 
Hello!

Im about to buy a Chris Craft 260 Stinger with a Mercruiser 496 HO.
The engine runs fine when its cold, but when it gets warm the rpm changes up and down.
Its like one cylinder is not running right.
There is also coolant in the oil.

Can it be a leaking head gasket or crack in the cylinder head causing this problem?

PA.WOODCHUCK 09-04-2019 06:36 AM

Maybe all them, but best to have a knowledgeable marine tech check it over before purchase.

underpsi68 09-04-2019 11:44 AM

Intake gasket, cracked block

BUP 09-04-2019 02:10 PM

I would not trust the block nor the engine bearings with coolant in the motor oil. Expect to discount the boat a BARE min of 12.5 K usa dollars for an engine long block replacement Prob will need a new heat exchanger and many more related items - this could be up to 25 K of making the boat 100 % turn key / water ready. The used boat market - the odds are no matter what you find will need something. One has to keep a mind set when looking ---- ridden hard put away wet is basically for the used boat ,market. Also storm boats seem to be an issues as well.

JohanSweden 09-05-2019 02:39 AM


Originally Posted by BUP (Post 4705283)
I would not trust the block nor the engine bearings with coolant in the motor oil. Expect to discount the boat a BARE min of 12.5 K usa dollars for an engine long block replacement Prob will need a new heat exchanger and many more related items - this could be up to 25 K of making the boat 100 % turn key / water ready. The used boat market - the odds are no matter what you find will need something. One has to keep a mind set when looking ---- ridden hard put away wet is basically for the used boat ,market. Also storm boats seem to be an issues as well.

I think a overhaul of the engine is in its place.
The price are around 15k usd for the whole boat + engine/drive.
I read about the heat exhanger problems but non of that was a problem right now on this engine I think.
Just the antifreeze in the oil and the ruff idle when engine is warm...

boatnt 09-05-2019 07:55 AM

I do have a complete short block if you’re interested pm me, never ran since rebuilt,total of 18 hours on engine,kept it for a spare because I have a twin engine 496 boat

boatnt 09-05-2019 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by JohanSweden (Post 4705352)

I think a overhaul of the engine is in its place.
The price are around 15k usd for the whole boat + engine/drive.
I read about the heat exhanger problems but non of that was a problem right now on this engine I think.
Just the antifreeze in the oil and the ruff idle when engine is warm...

That’s the problem, the problem is the antifreeze in the oil, the antifreeze destroys all the bearings, main ,rod ,cam bearings and along with that the bearings destroy the crankshaft, camshaft,etc

JohanSweden 09-05-2019 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by boatnt (Post 4705372)

That’s the problem, the problem is the antifreeze in the oil, the antifreeze destroys all the bearings, main ,rod ,cam bearings and along with that the bearings destroy the crankshaft, camshaft,etc

Yes, exactly.
I have many speculations about the problem, but I dont know if the two problems with the engine are related.
Can the engine rpm rev up and down because of antifreeze leaking in to one of the cylinder/pistons when it gets warm due to broken head gasket and making the sparkplug and fuel misfire??

If thats the problem, it can be a easy fix.
But if the problems are not related I dont know what exactly making the engine going bad when its warm.. Any speculations?

underpsi68 09-05-2019 11:42 AM

No one can speculate a problem over the internet. You need to start doing so testing to find the cause.

Sydwayz 09-05-2019 11:47 AM

I'd plan/budget accordingly for a full engine replacement. I see that you are in Europe which makes things of that sort a bit more difficult. But you should be able to buy and ship a 496HO fairly easily.

JohanSweden 10-06-2019 03:02 PM

I have checked for leaks in the oil cooler and headers because its the only way for water to get in to the oil. No leakage, so it cant be seawater in the oil.

I have done a leak down test with cold engine.
Good results with 5-7% leakage on all cylinders.

I have changed the oil in the engine and started it up.
It spins like a cat after cold start.
But when the engine is getting warm (about 60’C) the RPM is starting to go up and down. Its also like a air sucking sound when the rpm goes up. I read about it and it could be the IAC muffler?
Can the IAC muffler be the problem with the bad idle when it gets warm?

I did a leak down test after when the engine was warm.
Good results again, even better results with 4-5% leakage on all cylinders.
Shouldnt the test show if a head gasket is bad?
Because now I havent a clue wear the coolant is getting in to the oil..

Does anyone know what the problem with the bad idle can be? And before I take the head gaskets of, can it be a leakage without any signs on the leak down test?

/Johan

AllDodge 10-07-2019 09:12 AM

The coolant could be coming in from the intake leak, either a crack or gasket. If there is a intake problem this can also impact idle and running.

JohanSweden 10-07-2019 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by AllDodge (Post 4709680)
The coolant could be coming in from the intake leak, either a crack or gasket. If there is a intake problem this can also impact idle and running.

Thank you for your reply.
If the coolant is coming from the intake, can it pass trough the leak down test?
Because the test showed no leakage.

boatnt 10-07-2019 09:28 AM

Coolant does not flow through the intake manifold

AllDodge 10-07-2019 09:29 AM

You can do a leak down test with the intake off the motor. The test determines leaks in valves and rings


Coolant does not flow through the intake manifold
ok

JohanSweden 10-07-2019 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by boatnt (Post 4709684)
Coolant does not flow through the intake manifold

I suspected it was so. The coolant cant come in from the intake manifold to the oil.

There is no IAC muffler in my throttle body. Its missing.

Ryan00TJ 10-07-2019 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by boatnt (Post 4709684)
Coolant does not flow through the intake manifold

Correct!! The gen 7 8.1 utilizes a dry intake like the LS platform.

To the OP, use an automotive coolant system tester and pressurize your closed coolant side. If you have coolant in the engine oil, you have a cracked head/block or headgasket. Don't worry about the idle problem now. You have MUCH bigger concerns with coolant in the oil. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...75f926ee31.jpg

JohanSweden 10-07-2019 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by Ryan00TJ (Post 4709713)
Correct!! The gen 7 8.1 utilizes a dry intake like the LS platform.

To the OP, use an automotive coolant system tester and pressurize your closed coolant side. If you have coolant in the engine oil, you have a cracked head/block or headgasket. Don't worry about the idle problem now. You have MUCH bigger concerns with coolant in the oil. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...75f926ee31.jpg

My plans is to take of the heads and change the head gaskets.
I also change the head bolts and intake manifold gasket at the same time.


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