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ericmartinez1 09-16-2019 09:28 AM

Beginner question on 377 v 496
 
Have a regular 377 in a 247 islander weighs 4,000lbs. The reg 496 weighs 400 more lbs and offers a .7 better power to weight ratio. Is that worth the extra weight? How big a difference in top speed/boat performance does .7 make. Again, new to this, please just helpful advice.

Trash 09-16-2019 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by ericmartinez1 (Post 4706612)
Have a regular 377 in a 247 islander weighs 4,000lbs. The reg 496 weighs 400 more lbs and offers a .7 better power to weight ratio. Is that worth the extra weight? How big a difference in top speed/boat performance does .7 make. Again, new to this, please just helpful advice.

I'm not sure where you got the 400 lb weight difference. I think it's closer to 100-150 lbs. regardless, I believe too many people over think the weight issue and under think the torque advantage of the big block. It will generally make more torque at a given rpm compared to the small block. I love small blocks but the big block will almost always have an advantage in the marine environment.

ericmartinez1 09-16-2019 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by Trash (Post 4706616)
I'm not sure where you got the 400 lb weight difference. I think it's closer to 100-150 lbs. regardless, I believe too many people over think the weight issue and under think the torque advantage of the big block. It will generally make more torque at a given rpm compared to the small block. I love small blocks but the big block will almost always have an advantage in the marine environment.

I googled both engines to get their weight. Thank You for your response. I bought this boat, and thought it would top out higher, Im maxing out at 45 mph with a full 80 gallons of fuel. A guy I know to me it was “A Lot of Boat for that motor” insinuating performace is not optimal. Just wanted some insight.

Baja Rooster 09-16-2019 10:53 AM

Islanders are super bow heavy compared to the cuddy models, so extra weight in the stern actually helps balance it out. Do you have the Bravo or Alpha drive?

ericmartinez1 09-16-2019 01:37 PM

Bravo Drive

Baja Rooster 09-16-2019 01:55 PM

I’d put in the bbc without a second thought. If you’re in fresh water find one with aluminum heads, manifold and exhaust and you’ll be pretty darn close to a sbc.

I swapped out a lot of cast iron for aluminum on my 272 Islander with the 502 and still looking for a prop with enough bow lift to compensate for the weight loss.

Griff 09-17-2019 01:29 AM

BoatTest.com shows it runs 60mph with a 375hp 496mag.

Even with your 320hp, you should still be running around 55mph, so something is not right.

flashgordon 09-17-2019 07:01 AM

Doing a quick google check sbc is 575 and bbc 685....

and there is no substituent for cubic inches accept for cubic dollars

the bbc is already one step above a sbc to start with....

underpsi68 09-17-2019 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by flashgordon (Post 4706720)

and there is no substituent for cubic inches accept BOOST

I fixed it for you :circle:

ericmartinez1 09-17-2019 08:21 AM

[QUOTE=flashgordon;4706720]Doing a quick google check sbc is 575 and bbc 685....

and there is no substituent for cubic inches accept for cubic dollars

the bbc is already one step above a sbc to start with....[/QUOTE
You are absolutely correct, something isn’t right! That is what has made me start thinking engine swap. As I’ve had it out, first I got an emission fault and engine went into guardian mode. O2 sensor was fouled. Replaced it, took it back out, got a Fuel System Fault and engine went into Guardian mode. Its currently in the shop again.

flashgordon 09-18-2019 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by underpsi68 (Post 4706728)
I fixed it for you :circle:


ahhhhhhhhhh,,,i like it boost
good one..

farmo83 09-23-2019 02:22 PM

Big Heavy Vee's need Big Blocks. The 496 in stock form is almost bullet proof. Boost aside there is no replacement for displacement.

iroc fan 09-24-2019 02:51 PM

My 2002 29ft Sunsation will run 58 mph with a 377 in it, so i think you my have a problem. Prop maybe or just need plugs cap and rotor changed out.

rak rua 09-24-2019 08:14 PM

My last boat had a 496ho and it was flawless, never missed a beat. That said, I've read quite a number of complaints about sensors and guardian mode with them so don't be too quick to change your 377 because of a couple of electronic gremlins. Top speed sounds a bit slow, tell the experts here your prop size and peak engine revs, it may just need a different prop to get things moving faster. First thing I'd do is make sure you're getting all you can out of the current setup before spending money on an engine change.

My 2 cents, good luck and welcome to OSO. :)

RR





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