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540 troubleshooting MAP vs. mechanical gauge
Hi, Trying to troubleshoot a recently purchased 540. Problem is a backfire through intake while applying throttle under load from idle to roughly 1800 RPM. Seems like the motor is lean at this point. And was thinking Vacuum leak. I have an O2 sensor but also have some reversion so do not trust the reading at or around idle, but it does indicate LEAN condition during this RPM range. MEFI-3 ECM. Cam profile 240/248 .621/.632 112 LSA. 4500 FAST throttle body. Stock GM heads MAP at idle reads about 21 inches and 3.2 volts, however a mechanical gauge reads 8-10 inches. Should the vacuum readings match or has the MAP value been programmed into the ECM? Thanks for any advice. |
Have you checked the timing
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Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy
(Post 4709000)
Have you checked the timing
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Did this just start ?
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Who programmed it ? has this always happened from new or just started, fuel pressure @ idle and accelerating
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Did you try another Map sensor ?
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Originally Posted by GPM
(Post 4709050)
Did you try another Map sensor ?
I set up the fuel system. A1000 at 40 psi at idle and holds while accelerating. Fuel system set up exactly to Aeromotive specs. Have tried moving up on regulated pressure. 45, 50, 55, etc.... Compression readings and leakdown results all good. Yes I have tried another known good MAP sensor. Same readings on different MAP sensor. The ECM was programmed by Innovation Marine. I have also tried another ECM with an ASM tune. (540 with 525 EFI cam) It seems to work better with this computer on it but ultimately still have the backfire through intake. Does anyone know if the MAP reading/voltage is programmed into the ECM or should this be an organic reading created by vacuum conditions of the motor. Thanks |
The Map sensor tells the ECM how much load is on the motor, which determines the injector pulse width, basically the fuel. One of your readings is wrong, I'm betting on the Map sensor with that much cam. You need a tuning program with data logging and a laptop so you can adjust the VE table.
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It is likely lean. But....do you have the correct MAP sensor? i.e. a 1 Bar sensor and not a 2 Bar?
If your motor is indicating lean try solve that issue first. I don't care if you think you have reversion, put some fuel into the lean spot and see what happens. Trust the wide band until proven otherwise. |
Originally Posted by GPM
(Post 4709221)
The Map sensor tells the ECM how much load is on the motor, which determines the injector pulse width, basically the fuel. One of your readings is wrong, I'm betting on the Map sensor with that much cam. You need a tuning program with data logging and a laptop so you can adjust the VE table.
Looking at the MAP sensor vacuum reading on a Rinda, should MAP vacuum and the mechanical gauge vacuum match pretty closely? |
Originally Posted by Trash
(Post 4709236)
It is likely lean. But....do you have the correct MAP sensor? i.e. a 1 Bar sensor and not a 2 Bar?
If your motor is indicating lean try solve that issue first. I don't care if you think you have reversion, put some fuel into the lean spot and see what happens. Trust the wide band until proven otherwise. Yes. 1 Bar MAP sensor. Tried a known good sensor from one of my other spare motors and have virtually identical MAP vacuum readings at idle. Also 2 different ECM’s and both display roughly the same MAP vacuum readings at idle. I don’t have the ability to tune either ECM as my understanding is that they are password protected. |
Originally Posted by tgorbett
(Post 4709240)
Trash, Yes. 1 Bar MAP sensor. Tried a known good sensor from one of my other spare motors and have virtually identical MAP vacuum readings at idle. Also 2 different ECM’s and both display roughly the same MAP vacuum readings at idle. I don’t have the ability to tune either ECM as my understanding is that they are password protected. If no password, then just need MEFI Burn |
If they did password it I would *****. You paid money for a specific program for your motor.
If they didn't reprogram it and only said they did, this would put the motor in a real lean condition |
Have you looked to see if they are password protected? Who did the tune? Bob at Mefiburn knows just about everyone's passwords, he has helped me unlock a couple
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Originally Posted by tgorbett
(Post 4709239)
Looking at the MAP sensor vacuum reading on a Rinda, should MAP vacuum and the mechanical gauge vacuum match pretty closely? |
Is there a vacuum port on your regulator ?
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Originally Posted by GPM
(Post 4709267)
Is there a vacuum port on your regulator ?
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Originally Posted by snapmorgan
(Post 4709258)
Have you looked to see if they are password protected? Who did the tune? Bob at Mefiburn knows just about everyone's passwords, he has helped me unlock a couple
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Originally Posted by tgorbett
(Post 4709285)
Yes and it is tee’d to the MAP sensor. Have tried capping the side of the tee that goes to the regulator so that only the MAP sensor sees the vacuum. No change. |
Just some thoughts. If this thing just started to run lean, maybe it's an injector failure. Check your plugs and see if you have one white one, or pull the injector plugs one at a time while the motor is running to see if it makes a change.
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Originally Posted by GPM
(Post 4709287)
Do you set the fuel pressure with or without the vacuum to the Map sensor
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Originally Posted by tgorbett
(Post 4709291)
Pull the vacuum line off the regulator. Then adjust the fuel pressure. It’s an AEROMOTIVE bypass style. Return fuel to tank. |
Originally Posted by GPM
(Post 4709288)
Just some thoughts. If this thing just started to run lean, maybe it's an injector failure. Check your plugs and see if you have one white one, or pull the injector plugs one at a time while the motor is running to see if it makes a change.
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The ECM doesn't un tune itself, more timing will want more fuel, you switched the ECM and still had the problem, check the plugs, it might show you where your lean spot is. There's a lot of variables here.
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