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27formula 11-26-2019 09:09 PM

Intake
 
Looking for opinions on what intake to run. 489 bbc with Merlin rectangle port heads. We are cruising type people and not top end run wide open really. My gut says dual plane high rise but looks like a lot of guys are running the dart singe plane. I want max tourqe at like 3200 3500rpm for cruising speed. Just seeing what you all thought would be best. Thanks.

Baja Rooster 11-26-2019 09:19 PM

The edelbrock Air Gap is pretty tough to beat.

Griff 11-26-2019 10:37 PM

Air Gap

jdf4068 11-27-2019 12:50 AM

I run a dual plane wieland on a 496. Stroker. 10-1 547.547 comp cam alum heads,,,the mid range is a beast ..boat is a 88 scarab 3. 33’.

articfriends 11-27-2019 12:12 PM

Edelbrock perfomer rpm is good, the zz502 gm version is essentially the same. In a dyno test here a year and half ago a friend had a 502 w edelbrock 290 oval port heads, pretty small cam. He bought a vic jr as they seem to be popular, afrs on a few cylinders like #8 were over 2 points leaner (carbed). motor peaked below 5500. We bolted a ported standard performer intake on and picked up somewhere around 20 to 30 ft lbs tq and almost 10 hp (on top), #3 cyl at wot was over 2.5 points leaner than the average of other ones though. We took it off and put agm zz502 intake on which looks identical to me to a perfomer rpm and picked up even more tq, thruout whole range and a small hp gain on top. down in the 3600 to 4500 range I think overall he picked up around 50 ft lbs over open plenum. I will say this though, the vic jr was bolted on out of the box and had smaller ports than the heads , the zz502 intake was stock too, Smitty

JaniH 11-28-2019 04:07 AM


Originally Posted by articfriends (Post 4716552)
Edelbrock perfomer rpm is good, the zz502 gm version is essentially the same. In a dyno test here a year and half ago a friend had a 502 w edelbrock 290 oval port heads, pretty small cam. He bought a vic jr as they seem to be popular, afrs on a few cylinders like #8 were over 2 points leaner (carbed). motor peaked below 5500. We bolted a ported standard performer intake on and picked up somewhere around 20 to 30 ft lbs tq and almost 10 hp (on top), #3 cyl at wot was over 2.5 points leaner than the average of other ones though. We took it off and put agm zz502 intake on which looks identical to me to a perfomer rpm and picked up even more tq, thruout whole range and a small hp gain on top. down in the 3600 to 4500 range I think overall he picked up around 50 ft lbs over open plenum. I will say this though, the vic jr was bolted on out of the box and had smaller ports than the heads , the zz502 intake was stock too, Smitty

Always nice to see real back to back tests 👍. So in mild 502 builds you are fine even with the performer intake. J lingefelter 502 peanut port engine made over 500hp at 5000rpm with stock edel performer intake and zz454 roller cam. have always had good luck with rpm airgap manifolds in my small blocks, they make good torque from idle to max rpm. Going to dyno test my peanut port head 502 during this winter, with edel rpm squre bore or weiand 8123 spread bore, oval port intakes, hopefully both intakes. Results can be seen in my 454 peanut port build topic.

articfriends 11-28-2019 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by JaniH (Post 4716603)
Always nice to see real back to back tests 👍. So in mild 502 builds you are fine even with the performer intake. J lingefelter 502 peanut port engine made over 500hp at 5000rpm with stock edel performer intake and zz454 roller cam. have always had good luck with rpm airgap manifolds in my small blocks, they make good torque from idle to max rpm. Going to dyno test my peanut port head 502 during this winter, with edel rpm squre bore or weiand 8123 spread bore, oval port intakes, hopefully both intakes. Results can be seen in my 454 peanut port build topic.

We ran/tested the ported standard performer intake because my dyno partner had one from a motor home laying on shelf at his shop (so it was free). anything it does for most part, a performer rpm does better. Because we saw 15.5-1 afr on #3 cylinder at wot when others were12.5 to 13-1, I personally would never use one on something that gets held at WOT, the cylinder to cylinder distribution was much better on the performer rpm in my experience, Smitty

27formula 11-28-2019 08:16 AM

Anyone tried the cheaper speedmaster air gap duel plane? I got a line on a cheap one of those. I’m sure it’s not as nice as Edelbrock but at a 1/3 cost I can live with it.

GLENAMY 242SS 11-28-2019 08:30 AM

Here is one on River Dave's Place. He is asking too much, I offered him $350 shipped and he responded with about $400. I found one on Craigslist locally for $200, New and Polished.
Good Luck.
https://www.riverdavesplace.com/foru.../#post-3515018

Or better yet $328 shipped new from Jegs

27formula 11-28-2019 11:20 AM

There ain’t nothing on Craigslist around here. I will probably just go with new.

Baja Rooster 11-28-2019 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by articfriends (Post 4716552)
Edelbrock perfomer rpm is good, the zz502 gm version is essentially the same. In a dyno test here a year and half ago a friend had a 502 w edelbrock 290 oval port heads, pretty small cam. He bought a vic jr as they seem to be popular, afrs on a few cylinders like #8 were over 2 points leaner (carbed). motor peaked below 5500. We bolted a ported standard performer intake on and picked up somewhere around 20 to 30 ft lbs tq and almost 10 hp (on top), #3 cyl at wot was over 2.5 points leaner than the average of other ones though. We took it off and put agm zz502 intake on which looks identical to me to a perfomer rpm and picked up even more tq, thruout whole range and a small hp gain on top. down in the 3600 to 4500 range I think overall he picked up around 50 ft lbs over open plenum. I will say this though, the vic jr was bolted on out of the box and had smaller ports than the heads , the zz502 intake was stock too, Smitty

My ZZ502 engine came with The Eddy Performer RPM and the thing was a torque monster straight from idle and pulled hard up to 5600 until I re-propped.

gmhdfan 11-28-2019 09:47 PM


Originally Posted by articfriends (Post 4716611)
We ran/tested the ported standard performer intake because my dyno partner had one from a motor home laying on shelf at his shop (so it was free). anything it does for most part, a performer rpm does better. Because we saw 15.5-1 afr on #3 cylinder at wot when others were12.5 to 13-1, I personally would never use one on something that gets held at WOT, the cylinder to cylinder distribution was much better on the performer rpm in my experience, Smitty

Was wondering if you ever did any dyno with the old twisted Torker intake and how the AFR were?

articfriends 11-29-2019 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by gmhdfan (Post 4716672)
Was wondering if you ever did any dyno with the old twisted Torker intake and how the AFR were?

No I havent,i only got my dyno and data acquisition, 10 02 sensors etc up and going here 4 1/2 years ago and have only dynoed about 10 or 12 carbed BIG BLOCKS, none have had that intake, the rest have been EFI, Smitty

BUP 11-29-2019 12:57 PM

just be clear carb set up ? is the route your going for sure ? I did not read all the post here.

I am fan of the Brodix Alum heads. and they have couple of new intakes on the market that have done well.

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JaniH 11-29-2019 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by Baja Rooster (Post 4716654)


My ZZ502 engine came with The Eddy Performer RPM and the thing was a torque monster straight from idle and pulled hard up to 5600 until I re-propped.

With stock zz502 roller cam?

GPM 11-29-2019 04:55 PM

[QUOTE=gmhdfan;4716672]Was wondering if you ever did any dyno with the old twisted Torker intake and how the AFR were?[/Q
We tried one on a 468, it was basically a turd compared to the RPM airgap. Way less torque across the board with no more HP all the way to 6400 rpm. A/F ratios were all over the place, it may work better on a different motor.

GLENAMY 242SS 11-29-2019 05:06 PM

Just get what everybody knows is correct and be done with it. Air Gap dual plane, you are not building a 1,000hp offshore boat.

Baja Rooster 11-29-2019 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by JaniH (Post 4716749)
With stock zz502 roller cam?

Yes. Also with Comp Cams Magnum rockers that freed up some rev as well.

27formula 11-30-2019 02:10 PM

Yes carb setup. Im running the merlin 320cc runner heads on a 496. Im still looking for a cam but figure I will end up with something like the merc 525 or crane 731 cam.

SB 11-30-2019 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by gmhdfan (Post 4716672)
Was wondering if you ever did any dyno with the old twisted Torker intake and how the AFR were?

400 million years ago, I tuned a few different cars at the track with those intakes. A low compression 454 and a few higher compression 454's.

The intakes sucked bad. But, they fit under some low hood heights and we found out that was the only reason they where made. :(

This was before Eddy RPM days, but Dart had had just come out with their single plane intakes and that was that. Weiand dual planes or Vic Jrs or Holley Strip Dominators or Darts for those cars.


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