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tbev 02-19-2020 07:29 PM

Prop Location, X Dimension
 
Is there any pro\con's to how high or low your outdrive sits in the water. I have read that people shorten their lower units, I'm assuming this is to have less in the water? Or is this to have the prop shallower in the water, for some reason, not necessarily just to accomplish less drag?

I'm installing a bravo one on my 24ft deep V fishing boat that previously had an OMC outdrive. I will be glassing the transom up and cutting a new hole for the bravo. This is an offshore fishing boat, I'm not planning on going over 40 mph, maybe mot over 30. I will be doing 200+ mile round trips out to the tuna grounds, often in a four foot swell, sometimes in worse conditions, sometimes better, but I expect it to be smooth enough to run top speed very rarely.
I'm going to have to adjust the height \ placement of the motor, if anyone has experience with a better motor mount than the stock merc mounts I'd love to hear that as well.I will also be running a full hydraulic steering, dual ram setup made by a company called Kool Drive. I have most of the hardware but I still need the brackets that mount to the stern. If anyone has experience with Kool Drive or any contact info I'd appreciate that as well, I couldn't find them online.

Merc recommended that the anti-cavitation plate be level with the bottom of the boat. I'm wondering if there if there is any reason I should go higher or lower.

Thanks


Griff 02-20-2020 02:18 AM

For what you are going to use the boat for, I would want the prop fairly deep. I would set it up to have the propshaft about 6" below the hull.
I would use Offshore type fixed mounts for mounting the engine.

tbev 02-20-2020 02:40 AM

Thanks Griff, I appreciate the help. I was considering the stock merc mounts that are adjustable in height a little, is that what you mean? I'll figure out how far the shaft will be below the bottom (center) of the hull with the cav plate even with the bottom (center ) of the hull. Do you know what changes with the prop higher or lower?

IGetWet 02-20-2020 06:12 AM

I do even deeper, 7-7.5” below the bottom. Then a simple off the shelf three blade will do everything you need it to.

An offshore mount is one solid piece of steel or AL that actually wraps underneath the motor and has no adjustment once bolted into place. Like a cross member between the two stringers. A bit of a pain in the a$$ to get alignment perfect when installing the motor but might be the better option for the conditions you boat in.

TxHawk 02-20-2020 06:58 AM

If you use the stock mounts, at least fab an aluminum or steel bracket to set them on. Don't mount them directly to the stringer.
Your oil pan, and front accessories will limit how low you can go before hitting the bottom of the boat.


Griff 02-20-2020 11:55 AM

Use a front engine mount plate Merc Part# 849143T
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...22c3197e0a.jpg

tbev 02-20-2020 06:41 PM

Thanks guys, that mounting pate is similar to what is in the now\stock. The OMC I'm replacing is about 25 inches from the center of the input shaft (which is actually a ball gear not a shaft) to the center of the prop shaft. Does 22 inches from input shaft center line to prop shaft sound correct for a stock height B1? That's what I measured. The input shaft on the B1 is going to be the same as the crank, correct? I'm assuming that is true on both outdrives.
Currently the center of the crank on the motor is 17 in. above the bottom of the hull. This puts the center line of the OMC prop shaft 8 in below the hull, and the B1 only 5 in. I must be screwing something up..

outonsafari 02-20-2020 08:07 PM

Look up your engine and outdrive combo or closest one on the link below, scroll thru it`s a long list.
i used the dimensions for mounting my engine and it went smoothly.
Also if you choose to use a solid offshore front mount like griff posted, i have that exact one, it is brand new from mercury.
i paid 300 plus shipping.

https://www.mercurymarine.com/en/us/...tion-drawings/

tbev 02-20-2020 10:50 PM

Awesome, thanks guys!

Griff 02-21-2020 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by tbev (Post 4726233)
Thanks guys, that mounting pate is similar to what is in the now\stock. The OMC I'm replacing is about 25 inches from the center of the input shaft (which is actually a ball gear not a shaft) to the center of the prop shaft. Does 22 inches from input shaft center line to prop shaft sound correct for a stock height B1? That's what I measured. The input shaft on the B1 is going to be the same as the crank, correct? I'm assuming that is true on both outdrives.
Currently the center of the crank on the motor is 17 in. above the bottom of the hull. This puts the center line of the OMC prop shaft 8 in below the hull, and the B1 only 5 in. I must be screwing something up..

Your measurements are pretty accurate. A 17" X dimension will put a Bravo 1 propshaft about 5" below the bottom. 17-18" X dimensions are pretty common for conventional V bottom single engine performance boats. For how you are going to use the boat. I'd go deeper. You could always leave the engine as is and install a drive spacer to get the prop deeper.

tbev 02-21-2020 06:27 PM

How much of a difference wold you expect to see out of a 2in spacer or 2 in drop? What does it do better being deeper?

Griff 02-22-2020 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by tbev (Post 4726388)
How much of a difference wold you expect to see out of a 2in spacer or 2 in drop? What does it do better being deeper?

It will carry the bow better, get on plane faster, be more responsive to trim and the prop will have more grip and less chance of blowing out.
You could always leave the engine as it sits and then test and add a spacer later if needed.

tbev 02-22-2020 03:43 PM

Thansk guys, I like that idea, I'll probably see how a spacer changes things. This boat has a real deep V and it's heavy, it handles nasty water really well. Seems like it's always a 3ft chop minimum whenever I''m out but I would like to be able to run at 35 if the conditions allow for it.

thanks again!

getrdunn 02-22-2020 05:04 PM

I don't recall the exact x dim however way back in early 90's both my dad and I both had 24' challengers. They had like 22 1/2 keel bottom and kind of a slippery hull however the handling and all around difference between the two were quite different. I'd like to say mine was 7" below and his was 6" as I'm almost sure. My boat liked trim and would not porous unless way over trimmed at cruising speeds. Sr's didn't like much trim and would porous with little trim at cruising and didn't like much trim even at wot. Both bravo one's.

In a nutshell we both agreed my x was better of the two all the way around. My good friend Sean Bowers and his Dad at the plant in cedar springs at the rigging shop were experimenting ultimately attempting to find the ideal x dim without really consulting with buyer. Didn't really matter as we both really enjoyed the boats very much and were a solid 70 mph with a stock 454 mag and easy 80 plus with a revved up one.

getrdunn 02-22-2020 05:16 PM

Meant to add back then we didn't know much of or even if spacers were available.


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