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Budman II 06-18-2020 09:27 AM

What idle speed is too high for a Bravo
 
I am having some issues getting my idle down below 900-1000 RPM. I think I have something binding in the throttle plate - maybe needs new bushings. It runs and idles fine, and I can press down on the throttle lever at the carb and it will idle down to around 800 RPM where I want it, but as soon as I use the stick to rev it up at all, when I pull the stick down it stays around 1000 RPM. Obviously I am going to keep working to correct this issue, but how much of a chance am I taking with it damaging the clutches on my drive if I shift at 1000 RPM?

TomZ 06-18-2020 10:09 AM

I wouldn't go more than 900 RPM max. Anything over that and you start to risk damage to the clutch.

distantthunder 06-18-2020 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by Budman II (Post 4744146)
I am having some issues getting my idle down below 900-1000 RPM. I think I have something binding in the throttle plate - maybe needs new bushings. It runs and idles fine, and I can press down on the throttle lever at the carb and it will idle down to around 800 RPM where I want it, but as soon as I use the stick to rev it up at all, when I pull the stick down it stays around 1000 RPM. Obviously I am going to keep working to correct this issue, but how much of a chance am I taking with it damaging the clutches on my drive if I shift at 1000 RPM?

Agree with TomZ. I also set my carb's up by disconnecting Throttle Cables and getting it set/idling where I want. Then adjust the cable barrels to sit loosely on the lever. My first click on the sticks has minimal influence on the RPM's which I find comfortable for operation.

liberator221 06-18-2020 10:44 AM

Check your secondaries.

SB 06-18-2020 11:42 AM

I set idle with cable disconnected, then when idle all set, i install and set cable with a tiny bit of tension trying to close throttle harder.

Budman II 06-18-2020 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by liberator221 (Post 4744160)
Check your secondaries.

Do you think it might be the secondary linkage binding, or maybe the secondary throttle plates being open a little?

Budman II 06-18-2020 12:55 PM

I am going to take the advice and disconnect the linkage. I can press down on it and get it to sit on the throttle stop, and it idles fine at around 800. I guess I need to determine if the problem is in the carb linkage or the boat throttle linkage. Thanks for the replies - I will post an update.

SB 06-18-2020 02:39 PM

The throttle lever is resistant to move from carb idle speed screw. Throttle lever also has a stop and cable is solid.Gas pedal in a car has no issue moving and stranded cable sometimes has slack and can bend with no effort. Thus why you must follow procedures most of us have detailed.

zz28zz 06-18-2020 03:36 PM

Have you verified the butterflies are centered in their bores at idle? That can resist/prevent the throttle from coming all the way down to idle.

Budman II 06-18-2020 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by zz28zz (Post 4744194)
Have you verified the butterflies are centered in their bores at idle? That can resist/prevent the throttle from coming all the way down to idle.

I'll check that tonight. I would expect that to be more of an issue if the butterflies were removed from the shafts, and I don't think they ever have on this carb.

Budman II 06-18-2020 03:51 PM

I do recall that during dyno testing the carb guy at the shop made an alteration to the secondary linkage to make the secondaries come in a little sooner than they did in stock form. He did this to help cover up a lean spot when running at a fast cruise speed. I am going to take a close look at this to see if it might be binding.

Bondo 06-18-2020 05:42 PM

Ayuh,..... Like SB said, the throttle cable/ linkage should be adjusted to hold a slight tension, against the idle adjustment screw,......

liberator221 06-18-2020 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by Budman II (Post 4744181)
Do you think it might be the secondary linkage binding, or maybe the secondary throttle plates being open a little?

Open a little is what I was thinking. Since you said someone has messed with it I would look there. I assume it is Holley with mechanical secondaries, if so the link that pulls them open also pushes them closed.

Budman II 06-19-2020 11:29 AM

OK, ran it on the hose this morning. Was still sticking without throttle linkage installed, so the problem was with the carb. Pulled it off and examined it closely. Didn't see anything obvious, but I could see a little bit of a carbon line where the secondary plates had been riding in the bore, and it looked like the transfer slot could be getting exposed a little. So I backed off the little limiting screw for the secondary a quarter turn, and I took the return spring one more trip around to give it a little more tension. Cleaned all the carbon off the bore and made sure I couldn't feel a step in the bores. Put the carb back on and checked to make sure there wasn't any interference with the gaskets or the throttle bracket underneath it. When I started it, it still seemed to hang up slightly with no return spring or linkage installed, but once I put my spring and the throttle linkage back on, the problem seems to be solved. Going to water test it this evening to see how it does. Thanks for all the replies!

TomZ 06-19-2020 05:45 PM

It shouldn’t need a spring to keep it closed. The cable should be able to close the throttle body. Sounds like something is binding... replacing the baseplate is not out of the question and not that expensive. Just my thoughts.

mcollinstn 06-30-2020 10:30 PM

Cable adjustment.
Disconnect cable from carb. Set idle speed with "stop screw".
Now, adjust cable so that when the throttle lever is back at idle, the cable pushes back a bit against the stop screw.
Then, push the throttle lever wide open. When the lever is at wide open, carb linkage should also be fully open. If not. See if you have stop screws on the helm lever. Or maybe move the cable attachment to a hole closer to the shaft centerline.


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