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Bad to the bone 04-21-2021 09:33 AM

588 blown timing
 
Tryin to fine tune 588 big block running 6 lbs boost 6000 rpm rev limiter

what would be a safe timing and total timing

tks

getrdunn 04-21-2021 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by Bad to the bone (Post 4786794)
Tryin to fine tune 588 big block running 6 lbs boost 6000 rpm rev limiter

what would be a safe timing and total timing

tks


What kind of ignition you currently using. Varies with rpm, load, wot.

CDShack 04-21-2021 10:33 AM

I've always found 30 degrees is safe, 32 degrees if you're on a dyno or reading AFRs to watch it. There are "rules" about 1-2 degrees per 1lbs. per pound of boost and all that, but I've run numerous supercharged engines (intercooled and not) at 30 degrees total and they loved it. As said above, with load, you don't really want it all in too early. Should be at total around 3600 rpm. This is just old racer stuff.

Bad to the bone 04-21-2021 10:34 AM

588 Blown
 
has new MSD 6A think it is

underpsi68 04-21-2021 10:39 AM

What compression and fuel?
Aluminum or steel head?

Bad to the bone 04-21-2021 10:41 AM

588 Blown
 
aluminum heads
8:1
93 octane
Super Chiller Intercooler

snapmorgan 04-21-2021 12:04 PM

If you are looking to make power, around 35 deg. I set up my last blower motor to take out 1 deg of timing for every pound of boost above 5# and 5000rpm. The Daytona Sensors ignitions work so well for this, I don't know why anyone would run anything else unless it is EFI

getrdunn 04-21-2021 02:12 PM

I recall joe “Mild Thunder” had his Daytona Sensors mapped really well for his blown 468’s. I remember I was a bit surprised the advance at wot etc. Was a good thread or post.

Otherwise maybe dan “icdedpple” will chime in. With the newer advanced ignitions systems available today one can fine tune so much better than that of yesteryears!

And tailer to your own specific needs.


CDShack 04-21-2021 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by getrdunn (Post 4786846)
I recall joe “Mild Thunder” had his Daytona Sensors mapped really well for his blown 468’s. I remember I was a bit surprised the advance at wot etc. Was a good thread or post.

Otherwise maybe dan “icdedpple” will chime in. With the newer advanced ignitions systems available today one can fine tune so much better than that of yesteryears!

And tailer to your own specific needs.

Mild Thunder had a really cool write-up on his system. It did run some higher numbers, maybe 34 at full boost?. Snapmorgan is dead on. I didn't realize OP had Daytons. 30 degrees was on the "assumption" the OP was using stock Dist with an Msd box that didn't have that kind of spark control capability, kind of old school! :drink:

CDShack 04-21-2021 04:33 PM

From there (safety) you can play with it, creep it up a bit at a time. You have the chiller, so that helps. Like Snapmorgan said, 35 is generally safe to 5#, 1 to 2 degrees out at 6-7#, should be right on the money without a computer to telling you what's happening.

ICDEDPPL 04-21-2021 05:38 PM

You wanna be careful around your peak TQ, too much timing there is death .

I don`t have my laptop handy but this is what I started with . Usually I`m at 35 at WOT and 28-29 peak TQ (4000rpm)
If I`m running 5 blade props that have a ton of cup and load the engine I have button that drops timing across the board a few degrees.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...b0600404d8.jpg

CDShack 04-21-2021 06:00 PM

What's your WOT boost PSI? Your blower looks like it can crank out about whatever you wanted!

ICDEDPPL 04-21-2021 10:59 PM

About 8 psi is all I`m comfortable with.
With the 10-71`s that was 4% overdriven so it had a lot more in it for sure

getrdunn 04-22-2021 12:34 AM

[QUOTE=ICDEDPPL;4786881]You wanna be careful around your peak TQ, too much timing there is death .

I don`t have my laptop handy but this is what I started with . Usually I`m at 35 at WOT and 28-29 peak TQ (4000rpm)
If I`m running 5 blade props that have a ton of cup and load the engine I have button that drops timing across the board a few degrees.



Good call with the button. Would make good sense especially when laboring under tucked in conditions.




Griff 04-22-2021 12:51 AM


Originally Posted by Bad to the bone (Post 4786809)
aluminum heads
8:1
93 octane
Super Chiller Intercooler

IMO, you should easily be able to run 34* at WOT with that combo, but like was posted, bring the curve in gradually with full advance at around 4800-5000 rpms

Bad to the bone 04-22-2021 08:22 AM

588 Blown
 
Damn that is some great information that for the great input.

getrdunn 04-22-2021 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by Bad to the bone (Post 4786984)
Damn that is some great information that for the great input.


Now do share what or powering. Sounds like it will be a blast!

Bad to the bone 04-22-2021 09:05 AM

588 Blown
 
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...1a78550dd1.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...9f7a43c19f.jpg

Rookie 04-22-2021 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by getrdunn (Post 4786990)
Now do share what or powering. Sounds like it will be a blast!

You need to expand you OSO horizon and get out of the tech section once in a while! lol
A lot of great updates going on in sub forums.
https://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/...u-approve.html

Rookie 04-22-2021 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by Bad to the bone (Post 4787004)

Are you having issues keeping those Gaffrig mufflers clean and not tarnishing? I have had a he!! of a time. I'm sending them out to be professionally polished and then going to try a high temp ceramic coating.

Bad to the bone 04-22-2021 12:45 PM

588 Blown
 
No i use lime away and #000 steel wool shines them right up but do have stay on top of it.

CDShack 04-22-2021 01:59 PM

Have you tried "gel" Lysol toilet bowl cleaner? Slather it on, drink a beer, hose it off. Super great on props too!

getrdunn 04-23-2021 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by Rookie (Post 4787054)
You need to expand you OSO horizon and get out of the tech section once in a while! lol
A lot of great updates going on in sub forums.
https://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/...u-approve.html


Damm your right. What a ride! 😮. Very 👍

Bad to the bone 04-23-2021 08:38 AM

Timing
 
Yes sir tks getting ready to splash it soon

endeavor1 04-23-2021 09:01 AM

Are you going to have it out for the harbor hop?

Bad to the bone 04-23-2021 10:35 AM

Apache
 
Yes hopefully so trying to get in the water this weekend.



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