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90MirageTrovare 05-28-2021 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by AllDodge (Post 4791577)
Clarifying thought
If a Bravo motor is run on a hose using ear Muffs, and stay below 1200 or so rpms it should not overheat
If the same motor is Reved to high, the impeller can go dry and damage the impeller

If a Bravo motor is run in a Tub of any kind, the motor can overheat, It can also damage the impeller in the pump while doing it

If the pump and impeller are currently have not been damaged, then putting the boat in the water it should not overheat "unless" there is another problem that has yet to be determined

Ok, well I have only ran it for about 10 minutes with the new and not above 1200 rpm sea water pump in. I don’t think it’s damaged. I’m going to drag it to a local lake and see what happens. Thanks for your input and knowledge. I’d be really lost right now without this OSO community.

zz28zz 05-28-2021 04:21 PM

I've seen Bravo water pump impellers get damaged in well under 1 min if run dry. You may have gotten lucky and got a little water thru it, but be aware.

Last boat had an Alpha drive I put into a 100 gal horse watering tub. After abt 10 mins, the water in the tub was steaming.

SabrToothSqrl 05-28-2021 04:45 PM

I chased a overheating / overcooling problem for 2 seasons. it was the 1 part everyone said "it couldn't be".

Thermostat housing. It was leaking water between the top/bottom.

Not saying that's your issue, just something I'd check, if it's 30 years old.


SB 05-28-2021 10:42 PM


Originally Posted by SabrToothSqrl (Post 4791598)
I chased a overheating / overcooling problem for 2 seasons. it was the 1 part everyone said "it couldn't be".

Thermostat housing. It was leaking water between the top/bottom.

Not saying that's your issue, just something I'd check, if it's 30 years old.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_jRValWb7g

More info on this leaking water from top to bottom please and what where the symptoms, just overcooling as your vid states ? But you say above overheating too ? . Thanks.

90MirageTrovare 05-29-2021 12:33 AM

[QUOTE=SabrToothSqrl;4791598]I chased a overheating / overcooling problem for 2 seasons. it was the 1 part everyone said "it couldn't be".

Thermostat housing. It was leaking water between the top/bottom.

Not saying that's your issue, just something I'd check, if it's 30 years old.

These thermostat housings are very hard to find and becoming very rare. I was able to find one on eBay that was in a little better condition than mine. So now that is replaced, ran it on the hose tonight and temp seemed to hover around 155 for a bit and then began to climb. I’m going to drag it to a nearby lake tomorrow and see what it does.

dogdays950 05-31-2021 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by 90MirageTrovare (Post 4791012)
‘90 Mirage Merc 454 Magnum
Changed thermostat twice, first 160 degree then with a 142 degree. New temp sending unit, new sea water pump. Still getting hot. I don’t get it, please help!

check for loose intake hose clamp at transom

Formula 252 SS 06-01-2021 07:25 AM

I had a similar problem, it turned out to be corrosion between the Outdrive and bell housing around the O-Ring that seals the two surfaces, air was getting sucked in.

SabrToothSqrl 06-01-2021 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by zz28zz (Post 4791139)
Connecting a water press gauge to block drain (via hose) might help determine if water is having trouble getting in or out.

Another "trick" is to temporarily install clear hose in place of various black water hoses and see if air is getting pulled in at higher rpms.


Air: Problem:
No Air: No Problem:

you run a hose first from water IN to make sure air isn't getting TO the engine. If that's clear (no air), then move on to water leaving the engine. Mine had air. (bad!).


SabrToothSqrl 06-01-2021 08:06 AM

[QUOTE=90MirageTrovare;4791629]

Originally Posted by SabrToothSqrl (Post 4791598)
I chased a overheating / overcooling problem for 2 seasons. it was the 1 part everyone said "it couldn't be".

Thermostat housing. It was leaking water between the top/bottom.

Not saying that's your issue, just something I'd check, if it's 30 years old.

These thermostat housings are very hard to find and becoming very rare. I was able to find one on eBay that was in a little better condition than mine. So now that is replaced, ran it on the hose tonight and temp seemed to hover around 155 for a bit and then began to climb. I’m going to drag it to a nearby lake tomorrow and see what it does.

One of the reasons I sold my 1990 Chris Craft 245 (God I loved that boat) with an OMC 460 was... parts did NOT EXIST ANYWHERE at ANY PRICE.

Now I have 2 Merc 350s and can walk into any WalMart, anywhere and get parts...

I know that's not what you want to hear... just what happened to me. If you have the original part, maybe you can custom make a new one or adapt something else? For my OMC460, I told Advance Auto I had a 1990 F250 with a 460 to get parts sometimes when nothing else would work.

If it's not a cooling issue - and it's actually an overheating issue - have we checked oil level? compression? clogged passages within the engine?

While floating in the boat (on land isn't a valid test) there is a test in the manual that you disconnect the raw water IN at the boat, and direct the hose to a bucket, with the engine running and measure how much water you get within (I think 60 seconds)? I'm not sure what the numbers are, but if you get X amount of water it's within spec and 'good'.

From what you just said, it sounds like you're overheating at idle, under no load... that's interesting. To me that would make me think clogged cooling passages. At idle the cooling system is WAYYY more than you need to keep it cool. (since it obviously cools under heavy load). So.. hmmm... any loss of oil? I'd ask for if a sweet smell to the exhaust, but boat's don't (usually) use antifreeze.

this is a tough one.

90MirageTrovare 06-01-2021 12:58 PM

Chasing a ghost
 
Well I guess snapmorgan was right! Ran all day yesterday around the pnw sound. No overheating problem. Thanks everyone for all the advice, at least I know my boat a little better now 🍻


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