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HawkX66 08-09-2021 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by TomZ (Post 4800994)
Not sure it’s just the picture, but what I can see of the bore of number 8 doesn’t look happy either.

Sorry if it seems like we’re nitpicking. Just trying to get you set in the right direction.

I'm not sensitive. If you see something is up, I appreciate you letting me know. The bore in this case is good to go. It's just oil and lights. I put a good coat of oil on everything and it makes it look like hell. Damn VA humidity would turn it into rust in an hour otherwise.


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4800996)
That cam is in 2* degrees retarded.
Neutral woukd be 115 icl and 115 ecl
4* advanced woukd be 111icl and 119ecl

Hmmm... Possible it's just another grind? There's no question about it being in right this time. I know, famous last words. I have pics lol Let's say it is 2* retarded. How do you think that would affect performance? In theory I'd just have slightly more top end and a little less in the lower rpms right?
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...fbf797f7d9.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...5faa4bd07a.jpg

SB 08-09-2021 07:35 PM

You bought a multi keyway timing set and cam degree tools for ?

Merc also install their bbc ‘blue motor’ Crane cams 5* advance.

More midrange, less overap after top dead center, to name a few reasons, I’m sure.

HawkX66 08-14-2021 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by TomZ (Post 4801003)
I keep stressing - use the factory timing set. You’re asking for trouble using what you have. It’s never been right.

Take the timing set off one of the cores you brought back. I’ll bet it works just fine.


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4801010)
You bought a multi keyway timing set and cam degree tools for ?

Merc also install their bbc ‘blue motor’ Crane cams 5* advance.

More midrange, less overap after top dead center, to name a few reasons, I’m sure.

edit: calcs were off. I just realized I didn't subtract for ATDC.
I advanced my cam this morning. Here is what I came up with moving the crank sprocket 2 degrees advanced.
Looks like all is right with the cam world now.

Duration @ .050" (2* crank advance)
Exhaust 49-5+180=224*
Int -2+47+180=225*
Valve opens
Exh 49*
Int -2*
Valve Closing @ .050"
Exh -5*
Int 47*
Valve lift
Exh (.284")
Int (.284")
Max Lift. 482.8
CL
exh (167+63)/2=115
int (63+167)/2=115
LSA 115*

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...3862676e6e.jpg

HawkX66 08-15-2021 07:38 PM

I checked the real ptv clearance and squish tonight. I threw a light spring on the intake and a once torqued down head gasket that's the same as the ones I'm running. .102" int PTV and .066" squish.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...a1a9a5bded.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...2bbb8b9d30.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...fb6a44b5db.jpg



HawkX66 08-17-2021 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4800998)
Here quote of myself long ago

Can you explain how you calculated the 109* ICL? This is what I calculated. I was calculating lobe c/l I thought. I calculated it by coming down .050" off the max lobe lift (.284").

CL
exh (167+63)/2=115
int (63+167)/2=115


Also, why did I need to advance 2*? A stock timing chain doesn't add 2* so does that mean they're all running retarded?



HawkX66 09-16-2021 09:36 PM

Finally found the time to finish her up. Went out tonight and she's running like a champ. Brought her up to 35, but I didn't want to push her too hard yet.
I started her on the hose and broke her in then changed the oil and filter. Set the timing to 8°. I have a short list of things I want to dial in on the boat, but I can finally enjoy her at least.
Thanks again to all you guys that helped out.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...2e61dad9c2.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...704d90613c.jpg
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mcollinstn 09-16-2021 10:50 PM

Sweet

1MOSES1 09-16-2021 11:54 PM


Originally Posted by HawkX66 (Post 4801745)
I checked the real ptv clearance and squish tonight. I threw a light spring on the intake and a once torqued down head gasket that's the same as the ones I'm running. .102" int PTV and .066" squish.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...a1a9a5bded.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...2bbb8b9d30.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...fb6a44b5db.jpg

why is the head gasket out of round?

HawkX66 09-17-2021 05:47 AM


Originally Posted by 1MOSES1 (Post 4806007)
why is the head gasket out of round?

It's just the way they're manufactured. Good question though. I'm not sure why they do it.

sutphen 30 09-17-2021 05:47 AM

^^^^^^ thats how they are,its the hiperf. set up for when you bore notch the block.it allows the valves to be unshrouded and flow more air and exhaust.


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