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Brad Christy 07-12-2022 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by underpsi68 (Post 4838071)
I would check/ change the belt.

Is there a lot of belt dust on the front of the engine? It needs to be tight or it will slip. With your boost down, I would check that first.

UnderPSI

I've got a new belt and tensioner arriving today. I'm hoping not to have to change the tensioner, because it's gonna be a PITA to change. I've got NO room to work with. The belt should be pretty easy. I've also acquired a compression gage. What's the best way to prevent the injectors or plugs from firing while cranking the engine? I've gotten a couple of suggestions from people. Just wondering what the experts say.....

Thanks. Brad.
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SB 07-12-2022 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by Brad Christy (Post 4838112)
Guys,

Another question....

Looking through the ProCharger manual, it states that idle fuel pressure should be ~38lbs, and 62-65psi at full boost. I am reading ~40psi at idle, but only reading ~50psi at "boost" RPM. It seems appropriate to adjust the regulator to get proper WOT pressure, but the engine would appear to already be running rich, and increasing fuel pressure would obviously (I think) make it run even richer. Yes/No?

Thanks. Brad.
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Your down on boost, which will cause less fuel psi at that spot. More boost will cause more psi.

Cog belts can’t slip by design. Serpentine belts can snd will when worn some especially turning something that requires a handful of load to turn like a supercharger.

Brad Christy 07-12-2022 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4838114)
Your down on boost, which will cause less fuel psi at that spot. More boost will cause more psi.

SB,

AHHH... I think I understand how that would work. So, you're saying the fuel pressure will increase when the boost is back up....? I'm only down about 1.5lbs of boost (I stated incorrectly previously.... It's only a 3lb system). Will the fuel pressure increase 12-15 lbs from just 1.5 lbs of boost? I get that liquid pressure is different than air pressure. Just want to make sure I understand the concepts.

Thanks. Brad.
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SB 07-12-2022 07:18 AM

ATI will have to let you know.
They use raising rate FMU’s. Some 6:1, some 7:1, some 10:1, and etc. Unlike standard regulators that are 1:1. Ie: 1 pound fuel psi is added from 1 pound fuel psi.

SB 07-12-2022 07:21 AM

Here’s a more exact reply from me to a thresd in 2015.


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4347326)
Oh, another BTW: The ATI regulator is an FMU. Meaning, it has a different rate of fuel pi increase than most referenced regulators. Sometimes , they are 3:1, sometimes 5:1, and in some applications something crzy like 10:1 and 15:1.

FMU's are so 1980's and 90's.

All EFI systems with returns need manifold referenced pressure no matter what. But normal style. It's all about correct net psi at injector tip. Ie: manifold vac/psi vs fuel psi to the injector.

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Unlimited jd 07-12-2022 07:27 AM

Use a remote starter button on the slave solenoid to crank it over.
there’s no point at guessing what may or may not be wrong until you pull the plugs. Once you see the plugs it should be a lot easier to head in the right direction.

had a customer ask 100 questions and guess at everything else except what I told him to do first, check the plugs. 2 days later into his vacation he found he knocked 2 plug wires off while cleaning the bilge.

Brad Christy 07-12-2022 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4838119)
Here’s a more exact reply from me to a thresd in 2015.


SB,

FMU... Fuel Metering Unit?

So, it's really starting to look like this is all stemming from the apparent loss of boost. I have closely inspected the intake tract between the blower and the throttle body, and can find nothing that would indicate a possible leak. The hoses are intact. The hose clamps are tight. I'm REALLY hoping its just a worn/stretched belt and/or a weak tensioner.

Thanks. Brad.
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Brad Christy 07-12-2022 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by Unlimited jd (Post 4838122)
Use a remote starter button on the slave solenoid to crank it over.
there’s no point at guessing what may or may not be wrong until you pull the plugs. Once you see the plugs it should be a lot easier to head in the right direction.

had a customer ask 100 questions and guess at everything else except what I told him to do first, check the plugs. 2 days later into his vacation he found he knocked 2 plug wires off while cleaning the bilge.

Unlimited,

I can certainly check the plugs, and fully intend to do so. But.....

The only problem I see with this is that, according to the ProCharger manual and the interwebs, I should have run the boat hard and shut the engine off immediately, letting it coast to a stop (seems kinda scary to me), and pulled the plugs, which I didn't do. We idled into the ramp, dropped the wife off to retrieve the truck and trailer, and put it on the trailer, all while idling. Is this gonna muddy any useful data that can be had from the plugs?

Thanks. Brad.
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carnutsx2 07-12-2022 12:07 PM

Yes and no, a very successful "plug chop" would be done as instructed. Cruising along in the meat of the power curve the spark plugs are going to show a burn pattern for that range. By slowly cruising to the dock , loading the boat and such the last picture the plugs will show will be the burn pattern of how the engine is idling. Think of a plug chop as a picture of the last time the engine was running, do you want a picture of the engine running at cruising speed or at idle?

Brad Christy 07-12-2022 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by carnutsx2 (Post 4838168)
Yes and no, a very successful "plug chop" would be done as instructed. Cruising along in the meat of the power curve the spark plugs are going to show a burn pattern for that range. By slowly cruising to the dock , loading the boat and such the last picture the plugs will show will be the burn pattern of how the engine is idling. Think of a plug chop as a picture of the last time the engine was running, do you want a picture of the engine running at cruising speed or at idle?

CarNuts,

Oh, I get it. It's just the prospects of turning the key at nearly full throttle, assumingly in gear and under load, scares the crap outta me. And it's definitely not the condition I have at the moment.

Thanks. Brad.
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