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phughes69 07-18-2022 11:08 AM

How will it run if both engines are different
 
Dont shoot the messenger. Have a friend with Gen VI stroked 496's. He spun a bearing in one of the engines recently. Supposedly the engines make 600 hp per "Blueprint Engines" He is asking me how the boat will run if he puts a 502 in to replace one of the 496's. The 496 has a 4.250 stroke vs the 502 having a 4" stroke. He's not looking for ANY kind of speed and just wants to . He rarely goes over 4000 rpm. Since both engines will make different HP and torque, how will the engines run and the boat handle if both engines are at the same rpm?

DrFeelgood 07-18-2022 11:22 AM

Better off pulling the good 496 too, sell that, and find a matched pair to put back in.

phughes69 07-18-2022 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by DrFeelgood (Post 4838776)
Better off pulling the good 496 too, sell that, and find a matched pair to put back in.

The guy doesn't have that much money to get two engines and then sell his one good one.

DrFeelgood 07-18-2022 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by phughes69 (Post 4838792)
The guy doesn't have that much money to get two engines and then sell his one good one.

Edited. See below.

SabrToothSqrl 07-18-2022 01:54 PM

Other than possible weight issues, (if one engine is much heavier the boat may lean) assuming same prop and drive on both - I'd say it's irrelevant.

At cruise, you match engine RPMs. (prop RPM). What's spinning that prop - really doesn't matter.
Could be a 350, 502, or an electric motor. Of course it takes torque to spin it, but the goal is just matching RPM between them, thus matching the force on the water.

The throttles may be significantly different at the same RPM, but long as they spin within about the same speed at cruise, my money is on it working well enough.

rak rua 07-18-2022 09:01 PM

If they’re running the same props and gear ratio, and turning the same revs, the boat will feel ok but….. the smaller power engine is working harder to turn the revs. Sounds tough on the little guy to me. 🙂

Each engine has no idea what the other engine is doing, all they know is how hard they are pushing to do the revs you’re asking. The boat doesn’t even know it has engines running, the boat only knows how fast the props are turning.

Does that make any sense? 😳

RR

Rookie 07-18-2022 09:11 PM

I had a block crack one summer on my ~550HP 454. I had a spare stock Merc 420 laying around. I installed it in a couple of days and hit a poker run that weekend. I was down on RPM on the 550HP engine and up on the 420 engine. Usually would run 5800 RPM but I believe it ran 5300-5400. The throttles were 100% on the 420 and about 85% on the 550HP to maintain same RPM. Was really no big deal minus loss of speed and RPM. Ran the rest of the summer like that. I'd throw the 502 in the boat and not worry about it.

DrFeelgood 07-19-2022 03:19 AM

Well, maybe I was letting my major OCD out of the bag too much there. Clearly it's been done and not as big a deal as it felt like to me. :drink:

BigSobe 07-19-2022 07:09 AM

lol

j272 07-19-2022 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by phughes69 (Post 4838773)
Dont shoot the messenger. Have a friend with Gen VI stroked 496's. He spun a bearing in one of the engines recently. Supposedly the engines make 600 hp per "Blueprint Engines" He is asking me how the boat will run if he puts a 502 in to replace one of the 496's. The 496 has a 4.250 stroke vs the 502 having a 4" stroke. He's not looking for ANY kind of speed and just wants to . He rarely goes over 4000 rpm. Since both engines will make different HP and torque, how will the engines run and the boat handle if both engines are at the same rpm?

i never had luck with "Bluprint engines " or marshall engines in Nebraska aka first mate marine engines. The remans we bought (my boat shop) from them where problematic to say the least. One 5.7 we got blew a head gasket while test running it and it did not run hot. They told me to remove the heads and take photos. I did. They advertized new valves in the heads. They where not new. They where resized and they where many different ones not matching. The head bolts where not new either. They said that was normal... they also said they would send me another motor but i would have to pay with a 10% discount. And no labor allowance. I never bought another reman again from any source. Only New for the last 15 years i had my shop and Never had any problems.

getrdunn 07-19-2022 08:55 AM

Like Rookie said have him put it in and go. Summer nearly over. It’s not like he’s gonna go in circles. Even if he’s off by 500 + rpm. Who cares just adjust the sticks accordingly while cruising and go have fun. My advice!

BillK 07-19-2022 11:54 AM

Why not just fix the 496 ? He will probably spend less money than trying to find a good 502. Now if he is in a hurry that is probably a different story.

getrdunn 07-19-2022 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by BillK (Post 4838928)
Why not just fix the 496 ? He will probably spend less money than trying to find a good 502. Now if he is in a hurry that is probably a different story.

I don’t know for sure but would guess he has one or one in line. Many shops are backed way up at least where I’m at. At this point in the summer I’d marinize that 502 in question and got boating. If was a go fast boat 1,000 a side 100 plus I’d reevaluate the situation but…

Can always sell the 502 after 496 rebuild and not be rushed and miss out on water time.

getrdunn 07-19-2022 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by BillK (Post 4838928)
Why not just fix the 496 ? He will probably spend less money than trying to find a good 502. Now if he is in a hurry that is probably a different story.

I don’t know for sure but would guess he has one or one in line. Many shops are backed way up at least where I’m at. At this point in the summer I’d marinize that 502 in question and got boating. If was a go fast boat 1,000 a side 100 plus I’d reevaluate the situation but…

Can always sell the 502 after 496 rebuild and not be rushed and miss out on water time. Got a month and a half of time left at best here in MI

articfriends 07-19-2022 01:49 PM

Are we talking a 415 hp 502 and a 600 hp 496 stroker? Might need a 26 on one side and a 24 on other but it could be done


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