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Dragracer_Art 10-06-2022 09:07 AM

Anyone else convert to a closed cooling system ???
 
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I ordered a closed cooling system for my VP 8.1Gi... (block only) and I'm wondering if there are any specific procedures or special coolant needed for this ? or if I can just run down to my local Autozone to grab a few gallons of off the shelf antifreeze ?

Not sure how much water still lays in the bottom of the block. The engine sits pretty low in the hull so there is no way my old a$$ is reaching the block drain plugs down near the pan rail.

Can I just mix/flush system a few times ?

Talk to me...

SB 10-06-2022 09:31 AM

Problem with that is the water in your engine now is full of minerals and etc. Most prefer to mix antifreeze with distilled for better protection.

That said a bbc block holds about 2 gallons. Add more for Hoses and coolers and etc.

DrFeelgood 10-06-2022 09:31 AM

The 8.1, being a marinized GM 8.1, was intended to be used with Dex-Cool, but it really doesn't matter, so long as you don't mix incompatible types of antifreeze. Go green, or go orange, but don't mix them.


techman 10-06-2022 10:07 AM

I converted my 8.1Gxi to fresh water cooling using the VP kit. I initially went with the Dexcool after flushing and draining the block completely. However, I found that the Dexcool for whatever reason kept silting/claying up which it will do when it goes bad. So, I flushed/drained everything again and went with good old green stuff. No problems after that, but it doesn't have the service life of the Dexcool.

Installing the kit isn't a cake walk and you are going to be knee deep in the bilge anyway, so I would plan on getting those drain plugs out to flush and drain the block really well. Especially if you have salt water hours on it.

Dragracer_Art 10-06-2022 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by techman (Post 4847476)
I converted my 8.1Gxi to fresh water cooling using the VP kit. I initially went with the Dexcool after flushing and draining the block completely. However, I found that the Dexcool for whatever reason kept silting/claying up which it will do when it goes bad. So, I flushed/drained everything again and went with good old green stuff. No problems after that, but it doesn't have the service life of the Dexcool.

Installing the kit isn't a cake walk and you are going to be knee deep in the bilge anyway, so I would plan on getting those drain plugs out to flush and drain the block really well. Especially if you have salt water hours on it.

Boat has never seen salt and has spent its entire 416 hours on LOTO water.

I've had similar crud issues with dexcool. Never had any trouble with the good old fashioned green antifreeze. I'll grab 4 gallons of the green stuff. That should be enough to flush and fill the system.

No idea how long until the kit arrives. Ordered it from Hardin and the disclaimer basically says its a drop-ship item.

Maybe it will be easier if I lift the rear seat/hatch off the engine compartment. The heat exchanger tank mounts to the rear of the engine and thats the hardest area to access with the limited stroke of the lift cylinder.

techman 10-06-2022 10:34 AM

If you are possibly modifying this motor or pulling it out altogether, why are you installing the closed cooling kit?

Dragracer_Art 10-06-2022 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by techman (Post 4847485)
If you are possibly modifying this motor or pulling it out altogether, why are you installing the closed cooling kit?

Its a quick easy upgrade that can be carried over to the next engine if/when that happens.
I was just looking at Dart 4.5" blocks and 4.5" cranks today.
I think a mild 572 will be the direction I go with it... but it may take until next year to get everything together.
This has to be a slow roll to fly under wifes radar.

Knot 4 Me 10-06-2022 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by Dragracer_Art (Post 4847486)
I was just looking at Dart 4.5" blocks and 4.5" cranks today.
I think a mild 572 will be the direction I go with it...

Volvo DPX has left the chat. :lolhit:

Tartilla 10-07-2022 07:00 PM

I would flush the system with fresh water from your hose.

Drain it all, when you pull the old hoses etc...and pull the block drain plugs.

Use distilled water and the anti-freeze coolant that is recommended for your application.

I prefer concentrated vs the pre-mixed. Pick up a hydrometer ($10) to measure coolant specific gravity.

This all depends on how old the block is. You prob don't want engine block coolant passage oxidation pieces plugging up the heat exchanger tubes.

Tartilla 10-07-2022 07:03 PM

I'm looking at converting a 370 TRS BBC to fresh water. This engine never sat for long periods of time in salt water moored etc.

Salt can attach to metal when it reaches higher temps.

smokediver 10-07-2022 09:04 PM

I ran distilled water only in mine when I changed over. I changed it about 4 times before putting dexcool in. 502 mag mpi . It’s now a carbed 540 and still using the same system.

seafordguy 10-08-2022 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by smokediver (Post 4847659)
I ran distilled water only in mine when I changed over. I changed it about 4 times before putting dexcool in. 502 mag mpi . It’s now a carbed 540 and still using the same system.

I seem to recall I did something similar.

Drained block, filled with distilled water with no thermostat, ran it and drained it again. Repeated that exercise a couple times. Then filled with 50/50 AF/Distilled water. I used the green stuff because that's what CP Performance told my to use and it was their kit.

Mine are 800hp 565's - greatest money I ever spent on a boat going to Closed cooling. Temps are unbelievably consistent and never climb over 150*

techman 10-08-2022 09:17 AM


greatest money I ever spent on a boat going to Closed cooling
I did on my VP 8.1GXI because it just never ran right with the raw water cooling. The consistent temps went a long way to sorting out its usability issues. In the end, the stock Volvo tune was just not very good on that motor.

tmdog 10-09-2022 11:55 AM

Closed cooling on fresh water lake. Running a 160 stat compared to a 180 stat. Any advantage bumping to a 180? Eng. 406 cubes Dart Block.

Dragracer_Art 10-09-2022 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by seafordguy (Post 4847672)
I seem to recall I did something similar.

Drained block, filled with distilled water with no thermostat, ran it and drained it again. Repeated that exercise a couple times. Then filled with 50/50 AF/Distilled water. I used the green stuff because that's what CP Performance told my to use and it was their kit.

Mine are 800hp 565's - greatest money I ever spent on a boat going to Closed cooling. Temps are unbelievably consistent and never climb over 150*

Ive run mine a few times on regular chlorinated city tap water and it seems to stay pretty clean.
I fill a 110gal tub with water and lower the drive into it. Works better than any muffs ive used and doesnt overpressure anything. My tap water is probably 75psi.

Really looking forward to closed cooling and actual antifreeze in the engine.
Estimated ship date on the system is 10/31... so now we wait.
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Dragracer_Art 10-09-2022 12:52 PM

I assume this blue fitting is to flush the current system ? (never had anything VP before)

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...e8f1a13ae4.jpg

Dragracer_Art 10-10-2022 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by techman (Post 4847688)
In the end, the stock Volvo tune was just not very good on that motor.

This is probably the most frustrating part of my VP ownership... the lack of aftermarket support and tuning options. Mine has what I believe is "California emissions tuning" which I'm sure makes it run sub-par and lean.
Maybe I will bump the fuel pressure up a few PSI. It's about the only thing I can tamper with. (the regulator is adjustable.)

Knot 4 Me 10-10-2022 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by Dragracer_Art (Post 4847799)
This is probably the most frustrating part of my VP ownership... the lack of aftermarket support and tuning options. Mine has what I believe is "California emissions tuning" which I'm sure makes it run sub-par and lean.
Maybe I will bump the fuel pressure up a few PSI. It's about the only thing I can tamper with. (the regulator is adjustable.)

My Merc 496 MAG had the same sticker on it.


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