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TeamSaris 02-04-2023 05:26 PM

We run full wet exhaust on ours. Either E-Tops, Stainless, Sweepers or Full stellings. We have all of them on the shelf so we can tune with what the client will be using. You can NOT tune an engine with car headers and have it be remotely close in the boat. Car headers also ad 80-100hp over a stock set of E-Tops. One reason our dyno seems more "honest" than most. We run pyrometers as well.
Here is our system, if you have any questions just give me a shout 518-644-3080
header-tailpipe-big pipe through the wall-outside into a huge concrete "muffler" sounds very similar to MDG setup.
those 575 pictures are probably 20 years old from our old website lol

TeamSaris 02-04-2023 05:26 PM

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hogie roll 02-04-2023 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by TeamSaris (Post 4858490)
We run full wet exhaust on ours. Either E-Tops, Stainless, Sweepers or Full stellings. We have all of them on the shelf so we can tune with what the client will be using. You can NOT tune an engine with car headers and have it be remotely close in the boat. Car headers also ad 80-100hp over a stock set of E-Tops. One reason our dyno seems more "honest" than most. We run pyrometers as well.
Here is our system, if you have any questions just give me a shout 518-644-3080
header-tailpipe-big pipe through the wall-outside into a huge concrete "muffler" sounds very similar to MDG setup.
those 575 pictures are probably 20 years old from our old website lol

Love it. I’ve always hated boat engines tuned with car headers. Seems risky to me for the tune.

ICDEDPPL 02-06-2023 09:08 AM

We used my 50 gallon drum.. Im not 100% sure how we hooked it al up..



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Boatally Insane 02-10-2023 09:01 PM

Bob Lloyd at Full Throttle Marine built a big silencer box with a bunch of marine mufflers coming out the top. I would imagine the water could be collected out of the bottom if desired..


Rookie 02-11-2023 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by TeamSaris (Post 4858490)
Car headers also ad 80-100hp over a stock set of E-Tops. One reason our dyno seems more "honest" than most.

That seems like a lot. Was this on a 1000+HP build? Smitty and I only saw a 22HP loss going from dyno headers to E-Tops and adding a flame arrestor on my NA builds.

hogie roll 02-11-2023 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by Rookie (Post 4859064)
That seems like a lot. Was this on a 1000+HP build? Smitty and I only saw a 22HP loss going from dyno headers to E-Tops and adding a flame arrestor on my NA builds.

What was your HP and cam spec?

The more overlap you’re running, the more a short runner boat exhaust will hurt.

Rookie 02-13-2023 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by hogie roll (Post 4859068)
What was your HP and cam spec?

The more overlap you’re running, the more a short runner boat exhaust will hurt.

584HP to 562HP
237/243 LS114

TeamSaris 02-13-2023 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by Rookie (Post 4859064)
That seems like a lot. Was this on a 1000+HP build? Smitty and I only saw a 22HP loss going from dyno headers to E-Tops and adding a flame arrestor on my NA builds.

900hp blower motor yes

articfriends 02-14-2023 06:07 AM

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So Im buying 2 industrial grade silencers with 8" inlet/outlet to mount on outside wall of new dyno room for normal dynoing. Im also burying a 1500 gallon plastic tank that water from dyno brake is going to gravity drain into.Going to add extensions to top of both vents on that tank and when I dyno wet exhaust there will be a second set of exhaust holes thru the wall, will expand tailpipes from 4" to 8" pvc with 90s turning into the risers on tank. IF there isnt a clear expansion/size change on a tailpipe from its 4" or 5" and its extended with SAME diameter pipe, youve now created athe wolrds longest collector, Smitty
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SB 02-14-2023 07:02 AM

Sounds good.

I agree on the ‘collector’ issues. Many dyno shops i see add collector length (ie: just using same diameter as risers / collectors) instead of putting exhaust into terminator box (ie: atmospheric) …….collector length influences power in big ways sometimes. Sometimes not peak power, but many times huge changes in power lower in the curve.

hogie roll 02-14-2023 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by Rookie (Post 4859149)
584HP to 562HP
237/243 LS114

Looks like a 525 copy? Not too aggressive, I’ve heard 525s in Dyno trim can do around 550-560.

I think a cam with more overlap will give up more in the switch to non long tube boat exhaust due to losing the benefit of scavenging. Especially in mid range torque, the peak numbers won’t be off as far due to short exhaust runners getting closer to a scavenging frequency at high RPM.

Got an overlay?

Knot 4 Me 02-14-2023 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by articfriends (Post 4859216)
So Im buying 2 industrial grade silencers with 8" inlet/outlet to mount on outside wall of new dyno room for normal dynoing. Im also burying a 1500 gallon plastic tank that water from dyno brake is going to gravity drain into.Going to add extensions to top of both vents on that tank and when I dyno wet exhaust there will be a second set of exhaust holes thru the wall, will expand tailpipes from 4" to 8" pvc with 90s turning into the risers on tank. IF there isnt a clear expansion/size change on a tailpipe from its 4" or 5" and its extended with SAME diameter pipe, youve now created athe wolrds longest collector, Smitty
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Burying the tank makes sense. I always wondered what shops did in cold climates with external, above ground tanks in the winter time.

articfriends 02-14-2023 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by Knot 4 Me (Post 4859235)
Burying the tank makes sense. I always wondered what shops did in cold climates with external, above ground tanks in the winter time.

yep, its winter here from november until end of march, there would be a giant ice ball if i blew water everywhere for 2 or 3 days!

articfriends 02-14-2023 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by Knot 4 Me (Post 4859235)
Burying the tank makes sense. I always wondered what shops did in cold climates with external, above ground tanks in the winter time.

I bought some used dyno equipment (that I ended up not using) from a race shop on Texas/Oklahoma border, they used air pressurized water outside to supply water to the dyno brake vs a 7.5 or 10 hp pump.

Rookie 02-14-2023 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by hogie roll (Post 4859232)
Looks like a 525 copy?
Got an overlay?

Not a 525 copy. Just 454's with custom Comp cams.
I thought I had an overlay but can't find it. I'll look harder.

articfriends 02-18-2023 07:20 AM

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drove 1250 miles round trip to Troy Godfrey race engines in PA this week and bought me a nice set of stationary mufflers for new dyno room for when I dyno race car stuff.

hogie roll 02-18-2023 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by Rookie (Post 4859276)
Not a 525 copy. Just 454's with custom Comp cams.
I thought I had an overlay but can't find it. I'll look harder.

I meant the cam specs. They look similar to a 525 cam or crane 741 iirc

Knot 4 Me 02-18-2023 09:48 AM

Worlds largest set of Cherry Bombs. :lolhit:

hogie roll 02-22-2023 12:34 PM



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