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PQ290Enticer 03-29-2023 11:46 AM

Sending unit questions
 
I'm setting up my new engines and can't figure out what these sending units do. I thought I did but met with a guy at shop where I was going to buy new sending units (to operate the alarms at the dashboard) and he didn't know what I needed. I have attached a few pics. FYI, these were on my stock 7.4's and as far as I know all factory installed.
There were 2 units in the thermostat housing. I pulled them out and they are different. 2nd pic. Does one of these operate the alarm at the dashboard? I ask this because there was also another unit (the largest one pic #3) installed in the block by the starter. It's actually in the "block drain location" I thought this was maybe an overheating sending unit but maybe it's for water pressure? That sending unit also is the only one that had a GM clip for the wire instead of the sending unit having a stud and the wire held in place with a washer and nut. The last fitting was mounted in the block above the oil filter location. I think this is for low or no oil pressure? Thanks for your help.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...6e4edc9555.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...3056bb9941.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...b611252f2c.jpg


DrFeelgood 03-29-2023 11:50 AM

The knock sensor is the one in the block drain.

The 2 in the thermo housing, one is for the gauge, the other is probably the alarm buzzer.

One above the oil filter adapter is for pressure but I am unsure if what you have there is for gauge or buzzer.


PQ290Enticer 03-29-2023 11:54 AM

Did they install knock sensors in 1995 on a 7.4 that is carbureted?

Wally 03-29-2023 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by PQ290Enticer (Post 4863344)
Did they install knock sensors in 1995 on a 7.4 that is carbureted?

If its got the Tbolt V ign module then yes it can have a knock sensor...

Wally 03-29-2023 12:17 PM

or maybe you have a motor that was in that gray zone when they were transitioning over to EFI and were still using old stuff to get rid of things :)

PQ290Enticer 03-29-2023 12:35 PM

Well I ditched whatever was there for the MSD ready to run stuff. Just out of curiosity this is what was there. Did this use the knock sensor? Mercury is a big outfit and it could be that it's cheaper not to "think" about each engine separately and just wire them all the same. Shotgun affect. Can't go wrong with that.:D
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...658805456b.jpg

PQ290Enticer 03-29-2023 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by DrFeelgood (Post 4863343)
The knock sensor is the one in the block drain.

The 2 in the thermo housing, one is for the gauge, the other is probably the alarm buzzer.

One above the oil filter adapter is for pressure but I am unsure if what you have there is for gauge or buzzer.

I'm going with alarm. The one for operating my gauge is up on top kinda behind the distributor.

F-2 Speedy 03-29-2023 12:43 PM

yes thats a knock module mounted to the distributor

F-2 Speedy 03-29-2023 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by PQ290Enticer (Post 4863352)
I'm going with alarm. The one for operating my gauge is up on top kinda behind the distributor.

if its in the block by the bell housing that an oil pressure gauge,

DrFeelgood 03-29-2023 12:50 PM

Oil pressure switch vs gauge sender can both work correctly in either location (top of bellhousing, or above filter adapter). It's oil temp senders that don't work well in low-flow or blind-ended passage locations. Good pressure readings available in either place.

PQ290Enticer 03-29-2023 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by DrFeelgood (Post 4863355)
Oil pressure switch vs gauge sender can both work correctly in either location (top of bellhousing, or above filter adapter). It's oil temp senders that don't work well in low-flow or blind-ended passage locations. Good pressure readings available in either place.

Good to know. I used the upper one and the oil temp I'm getting at the filter block with an "inline" fitting. Thanks for your help.

PQ290Enticer 03-29-2023 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy (Post 4863353)
yes thats a knock module mounted to the distributor

No sh!t Well I ditched that stuff sooo......Thanks for the input.

SB 03-29-2023 02:26 PM

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...e9295ed52.jpeg
Left one coolant temp sensor to gauge.
Right one coolant temp switch for overheat alarm.

Rookie 03-29-2023 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by PQ290Enticer (Post 4863351)
Well I ditched whatever was there for the MSD ready to run stuff. Just out of curiosity this is what was there. Did this use the knock sensor? Mercury is a big outfit and it could be that it's cheaper not to "think" about each engine separately and just wire them all the same. Shotgun affect. Can't go wrong with that.:D
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...658805456b.jpg

That's actually a really good setup you have there. Probably make some good money back off of it or keep it as a spare for the MSD.

SB 03-29-2023 02:28 PM

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...23cb7be8d.jpeg
Left: Pressure switch for alarm. Usually for oil psi.

Right: knock (detonation) sensor

F-2 Speedy 03-29-2023 03:49 PM

yep as Rookie stated if you pitched all that you pisssed away about 300 bucks

PQ290Enticer 03-29-2023 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy (Post 4863375)
yep as Rookie stated if you pitched all that you pisssed away about 300 bucks

I "ditched" not "pitched". I have it all in boxes.

PQ290Enticer 03-29-2023 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4863363)
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...e9295ed52.jpeg
Left one coolant temp sensor to gauge.
Right one coolant temp switch for overheat alarm.

Thanks SB. Now I know what to keep and where to install. Thanks again

PQ290Enticer 03-30-2023 11:15 AM

So I stripped out the brass plug above the oil filter location at the block. The socket on the plug, not the block. Anyway, I would still like to have the alarm go off for low or no oil pressure and am wondering if I can install the sensor at the filter head? I would assume if this will work that I would NOT install it where the arrow is pointing in. If there's another location please let me know. Thanks for the help.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...746fc9efbf.jpg

liberator221 03-30-2023 12:28 PM

Is brass plug a allen head or hex head? If it's and allen put a punch in center of the plug and hit it a few times with a hammer. This will shock it loose, then drive a bigger allen in and remove the plug. If it's a hex head get a "turbo socket " and remove the plug.

SB 03-30-2023 01:20 PM

Hex heads i use the head of a hex bolt :) just use 2 nuts on its threads to lockem so you can turn the bolt. :)

If allens, and the strip, alot of times a torx bit will takem out.

F-2 Speedy 03-30-2023 03:02 PM

you can tap a 12 point socket on a hex head and break it loose, had to do it on stock Merc head bolt

PQ290Enticer 04-07-2023 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4863430)
Hex heads i use the head of a hex bolt :) just use 2 nuts on its threads to lockem so you can turn the bolt. :)

If allens, and the strip, alot of times a torx bit will takem out.

Thanks for the tip. It worked perfectly. Thanks again.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...f8bac53f96.jpg


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