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Rookie 09-07-2023 08:48 AM

It's a big heavy full cabin boat. Bow lift might not be what you expect it to be without putting it on a diet. Turning the props in should give more bow lift. I believe adding cup to props will also give you more bow lift. More blades turning out might make it bow heavy (stern lift) and bow steer, but turning in should also give more bow lift. This is a staggered boat, correct?

I'd just enjoy it right now. I don't believe cams will do much. I'd save the money.

Franks292 09-07-2023 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by TomZ (Post 4879050)
I think the power numbers are relevant. The 177 is going to get really hot trying to feed 540s with any kind of real boost. That's going to lower power (especially in a hot engine room) and may possibly cook something. What kind of boost pressure were you seeing?

Like Rookie said, the slip number is good. If the engines are making 650-ish as installed in the boat, that may be about right. I would think the 3-blades would give you better bow lift but would depend on what the props are.

Nice looking Scarab!

Not trying to set the world on fire but feel like it has more there in the drives/props.

Franks292 09-07-2023 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by Rookie (Post 4879056)
It's a big heavy full cabin boat. Bow lift might not be what you expect it to be without putting it on a diet. Turning the props in should give more bow lift. I believe adding cup to props will also give you more bow lift. More blades turning out might make it bow heavy (stern lift) and bow steer, but turning in should also give more bow lift. This is a staggered boat, correct?

I'd just enjoy it right now. I don't believe cams will do much. I'd save the money.

Appreciate the insight! Yes its full stagger. I already had to change one of the cams since the original engine builder used the wrong distributor gear and it killed the gear on the cam. So I wanna change the other this winter so the engines sound the same.

getrdunn 09-07-2023 09:29 AM

Glass Dave’s favorite boat!!!

My 12 m runs 85 plus gps with NA 565’s SBS and sm3’s. Timing at 34 deg. 5,400 rpm +. 16 3/4 x 27 cleavers 3 b turning in.

last weekend was a little snotty in lake MI. Wish I could post a video somebody took 😂

edit:: BTW nice looking boat!!!

Franks292 09-07-2023 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by getrdunn (Post 4879063)
Glass Dave’s favorite boat!!!

My 12 m runs 85 plus gps with NA 565’s SBS and sm3’s. Timing at 34 deg. 5,400 rpm +. 16 3/4 x 27 cleavers 3 b turning in.

last weekend was a little snotty in lake MI. Wish I could post a video somebody took 😂

edit:: BTW nice looking boat!!!

Is it really Daves favorite or is that sarcasm? Hahaha I'm out of Hammond, wind was out of the west so not a bad weekend for us. Where are you at?

F-2 Speedy 09-07-2023 10:11 AM

We need couple more pics......:ernaehrung004:

jeff32 09-07-2023 10:24 AM

Not a pro at these model boats but really like the look! I would have thought it could be much faster with 730 hp ! Were nt they running low 60 with stock 400 ish hp? I would have thought min 80 plus mph !

getrdunn 09-07-2023 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by Franks292 (Post 4879066)
Is it really Daves favorite or is that sarcasm? Hahaha I'm out of Hammond, wind was out of the west so not a bad weekend for us. Where are you at?

No for real. I talked to him about a year ago anbout some repairs and we had conversation regarding hulls. He loved those boats in rough water etc. Only sacrifice was the speed for known reasons but yeah his favorite at least what he told me.

NW Michigan, Manistee - Frankfort area

akattack 09-07-2023 12:14 PM

So back in the day I had a 38 Scarab flat deck with merc 475 turbo's that I modified by adding intercoolers and wastegates and upping the boost to a modest 6 to 8 pounds and the best I seen was 73 mph. I swapped the drives also and turning in was worse as it lifted stern but not the nose at all. Bottom had slight hook especially in chine area that never let the boat loose. Like you said water breaking north of the windshield. So the combo of the hook and the drives so low just kills this hull from any top speed. My friend back then had the same boat as yours (377) with staggered merc cyclone 400's and it was a 60 mph boat. He would trim up the drives until it threw a roostertail but the bow never lifted. The 30 Scarabs at least had some rocker to the bottom, I had a few of those.
Andy

hblair 09-07-2023 12:47 PM

Super cool boat, nice to see you got her back together and running! Mine's the same hull and about the same power. (650-725). But I don't have anything in the cabin yet. I checked the bottom of mine, and it's pretty flat. (one side has like 1/8" rocker, other side like 1/16" hook) You can see in this video even with the arneson drives, and props spinning in, although I'm not full throttle here, I'm not hardly toting the nose. With 5 adults, and half load of fuel, I think 70 is very respectable.
And it's true, Dave does like these old boats. :)



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