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Brad Christy 10-04-2023 12:56 PM

Oil Cooler Question
 
Guys,

So, there's an oil cooler in the SwapShop (actually, there's a pair of them), that has my interest if I can make it work. It's a Champ Inline unit, model # Cs312-6-d. I can't find out anything about them, but the pics (in the SwapShop) lead me to believe I can use it. I would like to add it to the oil cooling circuit that is already in place on my Merc 496HO. I don't have an oil temp gage installed, but I have to think the ProCharger is adding heat, and I know the closed coolant temp elevates for a while after a cruise of any real duration. I'd guess it could be added into the oil plumbing in series with the existing cooler, which should be easy enough. But I'm unsure how to do the water. My thinking is to use the outgoing intercooler water.

Anybody have any thoughts, advice or guidance?

Thanks. Brad.

87MirageIntruder 10-04-2023 05:01 PM

You're intercooler hose is probably only 1/2" or 5/8" ?

I'd convert the factory oil cooler over to a power steering cooler, then remove the PS cooler from the back of the engine and install the larger oil cooler there. I've done that on a few 496 whipple builds.

Brad Christy 10-04-2023 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by 87MirageIntruder (Post 4881770)
You're intercooler hose is probably only 1/2" or 5/8" ?

87Mirage,

Without peeling the cover back and lifting the hatch, I'd say that's probably right. That's about what the overboard stream is. Keep in mind, though, that the engine already has a stock Merc oil cooler. I'm just trying to give it a little help.

Thanks. Brad.

87MirageIntruder 10-04-2023 05:07 PM

FYI the part number for the fittings needed to convert the factory oil cooler to be a PS cooler on the return line are made by Vibrant. Part # 12027

Brad Christy 10-04-2023 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by 87MirageIntruder (Post 4881770)
You're intercooler hose is probably only 1/2" or 5/8" ?

I'd convert the factory oil cooler over to a power steering cooler, then remove the PS cooler from the back of the engine and install the larger oil cooler there. I've done that on a few 496 whipple builds.


Originally Posted by 87MirageIntruder (Post 4881772)
FYI the part number for the fittings needed to convert the factory oil cooler to be a PS cooler on the return line are made by Vibrant. Part # 12027

87Mirage,

Is the Merc PS cooler bigger than the oil cooler? I'm trying to wrap my head around the purpose of what you're proposing.

Thanks. Brad.

87MirageIntruder 10-04-2023 05:19 PM

The factory PS cooler is long, it goes across the rear of the engine. It's mostly a straight pipe, with a small bulge in the center for the cooler portion. Typically the rear is where most performance engines locate the large oil cooler like you want to install. You've got 1.25" water lines heading up there perfect for what you want to do. The 496 water routing is kinda complex over by the factory oil cooler, so it's easier to leave all that alone, and just use the factory oil cooler as the new power steering cooler.

AllDodge 10-04-2023 05:36 PM

Use a IR temp gun and measure the oil temps at the remote filter head. Measure the head and the filter to see what temps your getting

Adding/changing the oil cooler can be anything from simple to complex but depends on what temps your seeing

I installed a temp sensor on my filter head and found I was way above 300* F and replaced the cooler twice, head and line sizes before I got the temps down

Buying a used oil cooler is a crap shoot unless your know who your dealing with. The cooler may have been used on a blown motor and was cleaned but was it actually cleaned enough to get everything. It could be used and found not large enough like me (but you don't know me) .

F-2 Speedy 10-04-2023 05:58 PM

You dont have oil temp gauges but you feel the need to add an additional or larger cooler because you have a hunch the hair dryer might be adding heat, got it makes sense

Griff 10-04-2023 11:05 PM

First thing is to determine if the oil is getting too hot. Does the oil pressure drop after a hard run??
What do you mean by coolant temp is elevated after a long cruise?? How elevated??

Brad Christy 10-05-2023 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by Griff (Post 4881792)
First thing is to determine if the oil is getting too hot. Does the oil pressure drop after a hard run??
What do you mean by coolant temp is elevated after a long cruise?? How elevated??

Griff,

I am running a 165° stat, and the temp holds at that as long as I run, no matter how hard. After a mild cruise, say 20min @3500RPM, if I settle in, down to an idle, the temp will climb to ~180° or so for 5-10min, then gradually come back down. The oil pressure does drop during this time, but usually only after I've run it harder than about 4K. These observations leads me to believe the oil is getting hotter than I'd think it should be. I had a 140° stat, that I got from Whipple when I had them do the stage 2 ECM tune, but, like a dumbass, I had it sitting on the swim deck, forgot about it, and donated it to the highway somewhere between my shop and our local lake :rolleyes:. It is my intention to acquire another, but have yet to do so. I can't imagine this will have any other affect, other than to lower the range in which these temperature swings take place. How much effect does coolant temp have on oil temp?

Thanks. Brad.


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