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Padraig 12-31-2024 02:22 PM

CMI E tops/ Imco power Flow pro and cons
 
The 502 in my Velocity VR 1 is being bored to 540 and rebuilt. Horsepower will be north of 600. My original exhaust is CMI E tops. Problem is that they are the model that doesn't use tail pipes, just a rubber connector from the elbow to the through hull tips. Builder is recommending either CMI E tops with tails or IMCO Plowe Flow with SS riser. As I had some cylinder damage with the original (non-stock) 502 he wants the water introduced further back then my old CMI without tails. He is OK with either choice.

Besides the fact that the CMI is prettier and the IMCO are less expensive...What are the other pros and cons. I do wonder how changing spark plugs are with the IMCO. I am not as limber as I used to be.

Thanks for the help, deciding.

Padraig

SecondWind 12-31-2024 03:35 PM

Go with the CMI Elbow Tops. They look great and last forever!!!

scippy 12-31-2024 05:12 PM

I have the black (powder coated) Imco power flow plus manifolds ....Attached to 572 cu. in. tall boys ~ back in 2018 (2) sets of black manifolds & 30* risers
cost $5,199.98 from CP performance. I can get under them to change spark plugs easily.....

Padraig 12-31-2024 05:24 PM

Thanks Skippy. Any idea of how the Power flow and power flow plus are different?

Padraig

TomZ 01-02-2025 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by SecondWind (Post 4917246)
Go with the CMI Elbow Tops. They look great and last forever!!!

Same here... mine have been on the 311 (TRS tails) for over a decade in salt water and not one issue. I pressure test with air and heat every other year... still going strong.

scippy 01-02-2025 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by Padraig (Post 4917252)
Thanks Skippy. Any idea of how the Power flow and power flow plus are different?

Padraig

550 hp would be border line for the Power Flow manifolds ...above that, I would go Power Flow Plus reason being their ported to flow better for above 600 hp
Also, the tail pipe accessory is different than the "plus"....https://www.cpperformance.com/c-436-...ock-chevy.aspx check out the differences between them.

Griff 01-02-2025 09:51 PM

Might want to check into extending the one piece E tops you have. Have a good welder make them like the older CMI Unitops
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...5f2a6f359a.jpg

Helmwurst 01-03-2025 09:06 AM

I thought boosted engines did not usually have water intrusion from reversion. Griff's comment above, ^^^^ makes the best recommendation with probably the best cost too.You are likelt only looking at a few hundred vs several thousand $$.

1MOSES1 01-03-2025 09:10 PM

Cmi look cool. We had issues with bad welds. Stainless marine ftw

Wildman_grafix 01-04-2025 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by 1MOSES1 (Post 4917477)
Cmi look cool. We had issues with bad welds. Stainless marine ftw


With E-tops or full long tube?

Padraig 01-04-2025 08:25 AM

Sorry I am getting back late....been traveling.

Jason did check with CMI about modifying my existing headers and they couldn't or wouldn't.

Need to decide soon as we need to get them in as I would hate to have a rebuilt engine and have to wait for the exhaust.

Padraig

Padraig 01-04-2025 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by Helmwurst (Post 4917407)
I thought boosted engines did not usually have water intrusion from reversion. Griff's comment above, ^^^^ makes the best recommendation with probably the best cost too.You are likelt only looking at a few hundred vs several thousand $$.

Not boosted

Padraig

Helmwurst 01-04-2025 09:03 AM

Ah, my mistake, I thought post #7 was your engine. Thanks for the clarification.

Griff 01-04-2025 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by Padraig (Post 4917486)
Sorry I am getting back late....been traveling.

Jason did check with CMI about modifying my existing headers and they couldn't or wouldn't.

Need to decide soon as we need to get them in as I would hate to have a rebuilt engine and have to wait for the exhaust.

Padraig

From what I’ve read, CMI will not work on or repair any headers that are more than 5 years old.

TeamSaris 01-05-2025 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by Griff (Post 4917519)
From what I’ve read, CMI will not work on or repair any headers that are more than 5 years old.

We've had no issue with sending much older stuff than that. Perhaps because we're a dealer, not sure. Nevertheless, they didn't feel his elbow tops could be converted.
99% of CMI's issues are on the Mercury 525-700 headers which were built to Mercury's spec, not CMIs. Thinner metal plus the lack of a flex flange. The CMI genx sweeper replacements are 10x better as are their E-Tops.
All your options are good Pat, we wouldnt recommend anything but a good plan :)

Padraig 01-05-2025 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by TeamSaris (Post 4917547)
We've had no issue with sending much older stuff than that. Perhaps because we're a dealer, not sure. Nevertheless, they didn't feel his elbow tops could be converted.
99% of CMI's issues are on the Mercury 525-700 headers which were built to Mercury's spec, not CMIs. Thinner metal plus the lack of a flex flange. The CMI genx sweeper replacements are 10x better as are their E-Tops.
All your options are good Pat, we wouldnt recommend anything but a good plan :)

Thanks! I know both of your options will work well...just trying to decide which i like better. Leaning toward the CMI . They don't take up as much room and are pretty. LOL I know...not very logical. LOL

Padraig

Griff 01-06-2025 09:45 PM


Originally Posted by Helmwurst (Post 4917407)
I thought boosted engines did not usually have water intrusion from reversion. Griff's comment above, ^^^^ makes the best recommendation with probably the best cost too.You are likelt only looking at a few hundred vs several thousand $$.

That is my old 525SC showing the older style CMI Unitops

Padraig 01-10-2025 02:55 PM

Just to let everyone know...I decided to go with the CMI elbow tops. Prettier and easier to work around IMO. Jason has all the parts ordered and delivery looks good. Now that I have made up my mind on the exhaust, we are all set. Saris is great team to work with.

Thanks for the help!

Padraig


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