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WETTE VETTE 07-08-2003 05:45 PM

Cam for 598" BB
 
I am researching a solid roller cam for a 598" (4.6 X 4.5) big block. The motor plans will be for 10:1 compression ratio, fully hand ported or CNC'd aluminum heads, single plane Dart intake with a 1050 carb, CMI E-top exhaust, shaft rockers, etc. I would want the motor to turn 5500 to 6000 RPM at WOT. Here are some of the recommendations so far.

Ultradyne 270/280 @ .050" on a 112+4, .710" gross lift.
Note: My current cam in my high compression 498" motor is a Comp 272/280 @ .050" on a 112+4, .714" gross lift.

Erson 276/284 @ .050" on a 114+4, .731" gross lift.

Anyone else have a suggestion? Both Ultradyne and Erson said these cams are very gentile as far as valve opening and closing and the ramps are slow for a solid roller and are designed for endurance motors. I have no clue about my Comp, but it has 30 hrs with no problems.
Thanks for your replies.
Craig

WETTE VETTE 07-09-2003 08:02 AM

One more thing to add!!
 
Anyone ever run a 4/7 firing order swap on a marine motor? Ersons cam recommendation included a 18736542 firing order.
Thanks,
Craig

bobby daniels 07-09-2003 10:43 AM

The ultra dyne with 20 more lift would be great or use 1.8 rockers
and yes the 4/7 order is a great idea :)

WETTE VETTE 07-09-2003 10:55 AM

Thanks Bobby!!!:)

Adivanman 07-09-2003 11:34 AM

Has Ultradyne overcome their problems - ie. is Harold back in business or still in a holding pattern?

Droopy 07-09-2003 11:40 AM

Harlod is back up and running again and making a great cam. I would say both Erson and Ultradyne are great. I would also try Cam Motion and see what they have they also make some great grinds.

Adivanman 07-09-2003 11:47 AM

Excellent. It was a shock when he had his problems at the begining of the month, I am glad that he was able to recover so quickly.

Harold is truly gifted when it comes to designing and manufacturing camshafts.

MIKE H 07-10-2003 09:27 AM

What does the firing order swap accomplish, and is it only for special cam applications?

Adivanman 07-10-2003 11:04 AM

This swap has a couple of benefits (depending on your package) and does not cost you much if you are replacing camshafts anyway.

The biggest benefit are as a result of not having cylinders 5 and 7 from firing next to each other. This can reduce cross fire, but more importantly removes a potential 'hot-spot' on the cylinder heat. The elimination of that heat (which has a detrimental effect to valve spring temper) results in longer valve spring life and reduces the potential for valve spring failure.

A secondary benefit which is most notable in single plane intake manifolds is the elimination of "competition" between cylinders 5 and 7 for airflow.

In competition engines, some manufacturers suggest a modest (~1%) increase in power. Until recently the core cost for the revised camshafts were cost prohibitive and the change was not considered "economical". Today there are off the shelf cams with the change and custom cams can be built with with a modest premium (~$25).

bobby daniels 07-10-2003 12:41 PM

ADAIVAN IS dead on ! Its worth it Vette :) :)

jdnca1 07-10-2003 01:25 PM

Looks like I sold my cam to Vette!:p :D

Bob280Silencer 07-10-2003 02:18 PM

I've heard of swaping 4/7 on roundy-round motors because the left side runs leaner(always turning left)Now you've got a 4/2 combo on the right side?For a efi boat,doesn't seem like it would matter.
Bobby,you obviously have a engine shop.I'm interestsd in your cams.Thinking about building a 540.These free forums sure are expensive.Bob

WETTE VETTE 07-11-2003 11:49 AM

Thanks for the responses!!
 
Looks like I will go with the Erson with the 4/7 swap. It helps that JDNCA1 already has this cam new in the box since he decided to go with Schubek cam and lifters in his 632. I have always had good luck with Erson on past motors. Now I have to start looking at head options. You guys think 400 CC runner Big M's are too much or good for the 598?
Thanks,
Craig

bobby daniels 07-11-2003 01:21 PM

Craig ,you know the drill ,what rpm ,but really the new AFR heads blow away the others period execpt the big cheif style
The Exhaust flow is killer on the AFR's

26scarab 07-11-2003 05:23 PM

WetteVette,
How are the Shubeck lifters holding up ?


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