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Rambunctious 10-08-2003 09:32 PM

Congratulation Tomcat. a success story in the making!!!

I will look you up at SEMA and say Hi.

we have a booth showcasing our Overhead Rail system in the new F150 ( and other vehicles soon) "Johnson Controls" We are entered in the new product contest as well. different category though.

see ya in November

tomcat 10-09-2003 05:07 PM

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Thanks, we are in Booth #13133. What Booth # are you?

Did you see the order form in the exhibitor's manual for booth models? If you ordered one I'll be right over!

Rambunctious 10-09-2003 09:54 PM

I Don't know the booth number yet, the marketing guy is making all the details,

the models order form is hillarious. there isn't anything you can't buy/get in Vegas I guess.

no models in our booth. visitors will have to look at my balding head instead :D but were supposed to get those fancy nitro starched embroydered shirts though!!!

yea :rolleyes:

I would like to know your cost all said and done the end of the week and if you thought it was worth the investment. We are talking with a Big potential licensee about the towlight( my night Job) but, if that doesn't pan out, then maybe the show next year.

I will stop by

tomcat 10-14-2003 12:20 PM

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Maybe your potential licensee will be at the show. Are you taking a prototype of your towlight? As far as success at the show, if I have signed up some dealers and sold enough kits to pay off my out-of-pocket expenses, I will say the show was a success. I hope to have time and energy left over to meet people and learn useful information. That would be a bonus. If after all that there's time and energy to party...

I have attached a picture comparing the two systems in NEVRENUFF's boat from a simliar angle. People have asked why the box is so big and the answer is because it's sized to flow and cool 900 HP worth of air. It's the same reason that Big Chief heads are bigger than standard heads.

I could have made the box smaller and less efficient, and used a smaller and less efficient blower in the kit, but that has already been done. The Rtech actually takes up less real estate and doesn't require cutting of the back seat. The box height is the same so the extra volume has to come from width. This allows a sideways carb, which allows a deeper intercooler core and so on. When you compare the two photos you can see that we are really just making better use of the area where the Procharger hoses are routed.

It looks different, but the first time someone bolted a Roots blower on an engine I'm sure people thought it was strange. Come to think of it, when I first saw a centrifugal kit I thought it looked strange, until I saw the HP advantage over Roots. The sidemount Whipples looked strange, and although the topmount units have more of a Roots look, it still throws me a bit to see the air drawn in from the back as opposed the top. It just proves that we respond to what first symbolized big HP to us, even though our heads tell us Roots is the least efficient technology.

The report from Maine today was that changing to the 30 Bravo prop added 1 mph. So the total gain was from 77.0 to 85.4 mph on GPS. I prefer to use the numbers from the 28 Bravo that was used in both the baseline and Rtech tests, to avoid +/- variability due to the prop change, but the numbers do support a 7-8 mph gain, which suggests an additional 100 HP was provided by the "big black box".

Airpacker 10-14-2003 12:38 PM

Tom. I have my 500efi out of the boat and on a stand in the shop if you want to do some measuring. Give me a call and let me know when you might need it so I dont tear it apart first .

Sean 416-233-7552.

Turbojack 10-14-2003 12:44 PM

TC, Looks like if you are interested we will be using a Rtech with a M4 procharger & 2000 cfm throttle body. Got efi manifold order, should be here end of month. Once I got manifold I will be able to get measurements to see if it will work.

tomcat 10-14-2003 07:23 PM

Sean: I'll give you a call later this week. I could bring the blower and brackets down to the shop and we could trial fit the blower to see where we are with any interferences.

Turbojack: I assume you're talking about a single plane EFI with 4 barrel throttle body. I think that will prove to be the ultimate setup. On another post JimV said that he tested the Arizona Speed & Marine EFI manifold (same as Merc) and it was worth 80 HP to switch to the single plane style.

I'm glad to hear this since the single plane manifold makes it possible to use the existing supercooler. As long as the M4 mounting position doesn't make things difficult for us it should work with minor changes to accommodate the 4" outlet. (Standard is 3.5")

After SEMA we can organize a trial fitting of a standard box to see where we are. Thanks for the vote of confidence.

Pure Energy 10-14-2003 08:21 PM

Tomcat, What's the availability for a carbed Procharger set up? These are obviously great gains and would like to make some improvements this winter (what else is there to do!).

Any other changes beside jetting?

Thanks

tomcat 10-14-2003 11:15 PM

Pure Energy: We are building the standard "box" as seen on NEVRENUFF's boat right now. Delivery in November after the SEMA show.

If you have the basic M1 blower and 324 intercooler kit, you just remove the intercooler and carb box and put your carb in the new box. New throttle linkage and internal fuel lines are included in the kit. Since both the throttle linkage and the fuel lines are now on the back of the box, some re-routing of lines and throttle cable are necessary.

If you have installed a smaller pulley already you may have to go back to the original pulley because the box is going to add 2-3 psi of intake manifold boost.

One "must have" item is a single plane intake manifold like the Dart or Edelbrock Victor Jr. I know some of you are using the original GM dual plane that comes on the 454 Mag, but you can't use it due to the angled carb flange and the plenum divider. The carb flange must be flat for several reasons and the sideways carb necessitates the single plane's open plenum.

Final carb calibration will be determined later this month on the dyno at Nickerson's, but we're close with what NEVRENUFF is running now.

One caution: The fuel system really has to be up to the job!

Biggus 10-20-2003 06:09 AM

Well, we have done some more testing with NEVERENUFF`s boat and all I can say is WOW!!! does this thing make some big power and reliably too!

We still have not found the end of it yet, have to wait 'til spring now :(

The last tests were run with a 30p Bravo 1 that had been worked on. The R Tech equipped 502 was spinning the prop 5600 for a gps reading of 85.6. Prop slip seems high. Need to try a labbed prop.

Keep your eyes peeled for a full a story on the R Tech Supercooler that will be in an upcoming issue of Family and Performance Boating magazine.

Congrats Tom, your invention works incredible!

Kurt

tomcat 10-20-2003 02:55 PM

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Hi Kurt:

That 30 Bravo hardly knocked the RPM down at all. Paul needs to get a stock Bravo prop and try again next spring. It's too bad we couldn't get a hold of a 29 Mirage to try.

This is a layout of our SEMA booth. Paul's engine is going to be seen by thousands of people!

turbos230 12-05-2017 03:27 PM

I know this post is 14 years old but are you selling these supercoolers now or what happened with this product/project.Where can I buy this or get more information
??

Inrecovery 02-03-2018 08:48 PM

looking for intel also
 
I called his cell, and sent multi emails (Canada) I have 2 of his box/inner cooler setups, looking for a replacement chiller.

green lightning 02-05-2018 08:07 AM

I talked to tom a couple months ago he told me he stopped making the super coolers over 10 years ago and he did not have any more in his stock .

turbos230 02-23-2018 04:11 PM

Sad it looks very good, maybe he was to early to sell it,not enough demand.Now I think it would sell

Fireball_427 07-01-2018 04:47 PM

Help
 

Originally Posted by Biggus (Post 694128)
We did some testing late in the day. The results! so far are nothing short of mind boggling!

The boat has been transformed into an animal!

tests so far have gained us 5 mph. last run was spinning a 28 Bravo 1 at 5500

next step will be jetting and fine tuning.

The stock Procharger M1 compressor went from 4.5 lbs boost to over 7.5 lbs in the manifold. Pretty impressive for just changing the intercooler/ carb box

A quick side note, the compressor discharge temps were 200+ degrees and after the intercooler, carb box temps were 86-88 degrees!!!!:eek: ....lake water was 70*

More results to follow.....We have not found the end of it

Kurt

Hey man I was reading on an old blog about you installing a r-tech super cooler. Can you reach out to me and help me get my boat running. I've got a boat that has the same set up and I need help tunning it.
. I could really use some help thank you.
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Inrecovery 04-20-2020 05:36 PM

Just getting two of these units ready to put in my boat this summer, Talked to Tom, the lack of orders died in 2007. so the boxes made and sold from 2003 to to 2007 are the ones out there....454 mag with 680hp should be nice, the midrange power is what im looking for.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...52fed367f1.jpg

Scarab28 04-20-2020 06:50 PM

Running one on 540 with M3sc. Dyno pushed 1000 hp with 7 lbs boost. Yes they work.

green lightning 04-20-2020 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by Inrecovery (Post 4734725)
Just getting two of these units ready to put in my boat this summer, Talked to Tom, the lack of orders died in 2007. so the boxes made and sold from 2003 to to 2007 are the ones out there....454 mag with 680hp should be nice, the midrange power is what im looking for.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...52fed367f1.jpg

I really liked those inter-cooler boxes and wanted to install a pair on my boat but I could never find a good set of them .

Scarab28 04-22-2020 11:28 AM

Wonder how many of these are still being run?
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...17a0ac8f9b.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...7a62a2f204.jpg

green lightning 04-22-2020 04:22 PM

I have seen a few in operation , When I wanted to install 2 SUPER COOLERS on my boat 2 years ago I went looking for some kits and the only ones I could find were used ones that had inter cooler core issues , so I would have had to make new custom cores built rework my fuel lines and throttle cables. I ended up building custom cores to fit the carb boxes that I was already using .

Inrecovery 04-23-2020 07:21 AM

You are right, my one kit had a inner leak in the core, funny it was used on a fresh water lake . Im having a spare made and I had pu another. A core is 500.00 then labor to remove the tanks and re-weld them. Did you run upgraded mech pump or 12v?

green lightning 04-23-2020 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by Inrecovery (Post 4735122)
You are right, my one kit had a inner leak in the core, funny it was used on a fresh water lake . Im having a spare made and I had pu another. A core is 500.00 then labor to remove the tanks and re-weld them. Did you run upgraded mech pump or 12v?

I converted mine to run aeromotive marine a100 electric pumps and I added two stage water pumps to feed the intercooler

gobirds 04-23-2020 08:49 AM

I'm building a procharged 383 now . actually motor is done just figuring out all pulleys and still need to rig and make oil lines .I just came across threads of the rtech cooler and looks awesome .any of these still around ?

green lightning 04-23-2020 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by gobirds (Post 4735143)
I'm building a procharged 383 now . actually motor is done just figuring out all pulleys and still need to rig and make oil lines .I just came across threads of the rtech cooler and looks awesome .any of these still around ?

Tom stopped making the super cooler about 12 years ago but when i was looking for some kits 2 years ago all the ones I found had inter cooler core problems

gobirds 04-23-2020 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by green lightning (Post 4735147)
Tom stopped making the super cooler about 12 years ago but when i was looking for some kits 2 years ago all the ones I found had inter cooler core problems

if cores can be replaced i know an awesome welder at Cobb in Texas .i will try to do some searching


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