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hawk40 01-17-2004 07:21 PM

prop spin in neutral (TRS)
 
I recently purchased a boat with TRS drives, the starboard drive rotates with the shift selector in neutral (rotates faster when shifted into forward). Is this just an alignment problem with the shifter, or does the transmission need a rebuild. The previous owner claims that it has done this since he owned it (5+ years). The drives are original on a 40' excalibur hawk (1983).

KNOT-RIGHT 01-17-2004 09:04 PM

What type of transmissions are on it Vevet drives?

Audiofn 01-18-2004 12:13 AM

I am guessing you are fine. See if they turn when in the water. I think what you are seeing is common and when you have the resistence of the water there they will not turn.

Jon

hawk40 01-18-2004 11:14 AM

They are the B.W. Velvet Drives.

As far as the spinning it occurs in the water, I have never run the engines out of the water. The prop spins enough to cause the boat to slowly drift forward.

mmwalters 01-18-2004 12:09 PM

The plates in the trans are warped and providing slight contact. They still could last quite a while in this condition. I think you will find they are reasonable to rebuild

Crazyhorse 01-18-2004 12:50 PM

Yup, what mmwalters said. It might last for years or it might decide to give up tomorrow. I'm betting on giving up sooner than later, especially if you've got to shift it above 1000 rpm. It will be cheaper to fix before it gives up. Oh, by the way, when it gives up it will be locked in gear.

Mbam 01-18-2004 02:54 PM

what they said

Audiofn 01-18-2004 02:57 PM

Yup now that I know it is in the water doing it I agree with these guys. Mine spins a very little out of the water and that is what I thought you were talking about. I also agree that it would probably be cheaper to fix it now then after total detonation. I hear that Marc is sapposed to be VERY good at rebuilding them. Also Huber is another good one.

Jon

Ted G 01-18-2004 05:04 PM

A buddy of mine has a TRS with the same problem-will actually move the boat forward slightly. A really good trans builder that is also a friend of ours said to run it in neutral like that at about 2000 for a few minutes to loosen up the clutch pack-might be worth a shot before the rebuild. If it scuffs a little off the clutches they might not drag any more.

KNOT-RIGHT 01-18-2004 05:42 PM

I have had the same problem many times
Inside the Velvet drives are steel shims with
clutches. What usually occurs is what everyone above has mentioned. Removal of the trans will be nessary.
The cluches are rings normaly flat when placed on a flat surface. Chances are when you remove them and lay one on a flat surface it will be concave. shaped like a cone. I can tell just by spinning the prop on the trailer
if it is hard to spin the clutches are getting warped again. This causes friction against the shims which is what causes the movement of the prop when your actualy in neutral.
The borg and warner velva drive is a very simple transmission inwhich any transmission shop surely could handle.

Contact Bam Marine they have some excellent high performance replacements.
954-545-8681
Simplicity marine drives also offers the original cluches.
941-722-8475

Good luck
Gerry


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