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wwwTOPDJcom 12-18-2004 05:14 PM

ok this may be a stupid question......
 
how come no one makes a Big straight 6 like 400-500 cu inch, 400hp +.
seems like it would be easier to work on in a boat with a twin setup,
and reduced weight.

BadDog 12-18-2004 06:27 PM

Re: ok this may be a stupid question......
 
Hmmm... interesting thought. And it would sound like a bread truck. Seems that the old pickup trucks with straight six's did pull pretty good.

formula31 12-18-2004 06:57 PM

Re: ok this may be a stupid question......
 
There was an old Mathews that I worked on in the 60's that had a big 6 cylinder (about the size of a vw bug) that had twin plugs in the top for each cylinder. Cant remember the brand name but it was in a very old 40 ft mathews, single screw.

Falcon 12-18-2004 08:09 PM

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What would be interesting is a pair of narrow angle v6's with screw chargers! I'll bet they could get to the 400hp range.

Reed Jensen 12-18-2004 08:39 PM

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There used to be an engine builder years ago that made HUGE gas 6 cylinder engines for trucks... The name of the engine was " Hall-Scott"... They made small engines also for cars back in the late twenties. But... most people don't know that inline 6 cylinder engines of the same cubic inches as a V-8 weigh more... a lot more.
You have 7 main bearings instead of 5. The block and crankshaft are heavier. Instead of only 4 throws for the 8 cylinders.. Each cylinder has it's own crankshaft throw. The only advantage is width. Not too many people make speed equipment for inline 6 cylinder engines. :eek:

Reed Jensen 12-18-2004 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon
What would be interesting is a pair of narrow angle v6's with screw chargers! I'll bet they could get to the 400hp range.

That is what "Torque" motors was trying to do with their 60 degree V-12... make a narrow, powerful, unsupercharged engine. But they had too many "issues"... :eek:

HyperBaja 12-18-2004 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Reed Jensen
That is what "Torque" motors was trying to do with their 60 degree V-12... make a narrow, powerful, unsupercharged engine. But they had too many "issues"... :eek:

Any update on how callan did with these last race season?

Reed Jensen 12-18-2004 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by HyperBaja
Any update on how callan did with these last race season?

I know they installed some ... I learned that from a magazine article... other than that... nada..... :cool:

mcollinstn 12-18-2004 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wwwTOPDJcom
how come no one makes a Big straight 6 like 400-500 cu inch, 400hp +.
seems like it would be easier to work on in a boat with a twin setup,
and reduced weight.

You never heard of a Cummins or Caterpillar? I assure you the narrow-ness of an inline six is a benefit.

As far as a big gas motor, 4 liters is about the high end of the range for a straight six.
Hop up parts? Here you go:
http://www.cliffordperformance.com/

Reed Jensen 12-18-2004 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mcollinstn
You never heard of a Cummins or Caterpillar? I assure you the narrow-ness of an inline six is a benefit.

As far as a big gas motor, 4 liters is about the high end of the range for a straight six.
Hop up parts? Here you go:
http://www.cliffordperformance.com/

Since he didn't mention Diesel... I was assuming he was talking about gas engines. EVERYONE knows there are inline diesel engines.

HeavyChevSS 12-19-2004 09:43 AM

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A few yrs back someone was experimenting with using the Mazda twin turbo 1.3B rotary motors and hooking up to an outdrive. Their weight is just a fraction of a BB but of course they made very little torque. Does anyone remember who was doing that and if they had any success?
Rick

Steet 12-19-2004 09:51 AM

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Just go to an all aluminum engine for the reduced weight.
You still have a lot of horsepower and torque.

Reed Jensen 12-19-2004 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Steet
Just go to an all aluminum engine for the reduced weight.
You still have a lot of horsepower and torque.

Some big HP builders are reluctant to go to aluminum blocks.. They tend to twist a little. Also... the weight savings of an aluminum block and heads is offset by the closed cooling system you would have to run if you are using it in salt water. Some builders opt for aluminum heads with an iron block. This is to keep the detonation levels down. But there is still the issue of corrosion with salt water.

Sean H 12-19-2004 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Reed Jensen
Some big HP builders are reluctant to go to aluminum blocks.. They tend to twist a little. Also... the weight savings of an aluminum block and heads is offset by the closed cooling system you would have to run if you are using it in salt water. Some builders opt for aluminum heads with an iron block. This is to keep the detonation levels down. But there is still the issue of corrosion with salt water.


just don't go in the ocean, duh... :D :evilb: :D

Crazyhorse 12-19-2004 06:44 PM

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Yeah, a couple years ago some guys tried to use a pair of import twin-turbocharged motors in a custom built Reno air racer called the Pond Racer. They had all kinds of temp problems with them and it had an inflight engine fire during a run. A highly experienced pilot by the name of Rick Bricker died in the fire after landing the aircraft.
Tried and true parts are pretty well wrung out and new stuff can bite you.

Steet 12-19-2004 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Reed Jensen
Some big HP builders are reluctant to go to aluminum blocks.. They tend to twist a little. Also... the weight savings of an aluminum block and heads is offset by the closed cooling system you would have to run if you are using it in salt water. Some builders opt for aluminum heads with an iron block. This is to keep the detonation levels down. But there is still the issue of corrosion with salt water.

This is correct, but mercruiser is going mostly to closed cooling on all standard production engine packages, so there is no weight savings now. The 496 and 525 packages are all closed cooling systems and still cast iron blocks.


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