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SkiDoc 01-21-2005 05:04 AM

Best Nose Cone
 
What's the best nose cone made.....Eddie's or Imco? Going to add nose cones with low water pickups to my drives 97 Daytona, twin 650's.

sean stinson 01-21-2005 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by KYElimEagle
What's the best nose cone made.....Eddie's or Imco? Going to add nose cones with low water pickups to my drives 97 Daytona, twin 650's.

If it was me I would run the IMCO or Mercury Sportmaster lowers get the whole housing and not the nose cone. The lower from IMCO is about $1900.00 retail for the housing with the vertical shaft. I dont know off the top of my head what the Mercury is but I can find out.

Zanie 01-21-2005 07:53 AM

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Only two chices for nose cones?
What about : Hydromotive, WPM or Bob's machine.

SkiDoc 01-21-2005 08:24 PM

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New comlete lowers out of the budget this year. I need to add nose cone with low water pickup or transom mounted pickup. Eddies look good and are put on with epoxy. I found out the Imco's need to be welded. Don't want to take the internals out if not necessary. Really don't know about any of the rest, someone has to have gone down this road.

CN24 01-21-2005 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KYElimEagle
New comlete lowers out of the budget this year. I need to add nose cone with low water pickup or transom mounted pickup. Eddies look good and are put on with epoxy. I found out the Imco's need to be welded. Don't want to take the internals out if not necessary. Really don't know about any of the rest, someone has to have gone down this road.

you have to take out the internals if you weld it on?

SkiDoc 01-21-2005 08:34 PM

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Yes, according to Imco the lower has to be disassembled and the cone welded on after the front of the case is ground flat, then of course you have to be careful not to overheat the case or it will warp. Quite a sales job, think I'll go another way!

formula31 01-21-2005 09:43 PM

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My vote is hydromotive. How you put it on is critical.. It must be in line with your prop shaft.

Pure Energy 01-21-2005 10:17 PM

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Nothing wrong with epoxy. I removed mine and let me tell you, they did NOT want to come off!!!

Strip Poker 388 01-22-2005 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KYElimEagle
What's the best nose cone made.....Eddie's or Imco? Going to add nose cones with low water pickups to my drives 97 Daytona, twin 650's.


Ask Eliminator ,i bet they have done a fer. the Spectras come with the nose come on them on the older one.

I think the bobs is out dated .

I had a buddy that had me sell some on this board , one looked like the Imco nose . Maybe they will chime in.

I would not use the merc foot! I would but the Imco, looks closer to a speed master.

really depends on what speed your at know.I would think about 90 it might help?


Rob :drink:

Blowin Money 01-22-2005 03:01 AM

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imco nose cone is the best out $85.00. no need to disassemble lower just remove. I have used see going epoxy and installed many

SkiDoc 01-22-2005 05:46 AM

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Does any one have any experience drilling the hole in the case for the water to flow into the water space of the case?

SledgeHammer 01-22-2005 09:39 AM

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I have a Baja Hammer running right at 80 on GPS. I added the Eddie Marine nose cone with epoxy, being very careful to align properly. It looked very cool and aggressive. Speed dropped to 76 as I could not trim as high. Took it back off, which was a lot of work and the speed came back to 80. I definately would not recommend the Eddie Marine unless you are just going for looks.

SkiDoc 01-22-2005 11:21 AM

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Blowin Money have you ever istalled a cone to add low water pickup? I read some previous posts about hydrodynamics of the nose cone, but was unclear of the effect on transom. My boat does not like transom lift does not do well with hydromotive props, requires much more trim than the bravos. With bravo props requires very little trim. But I will be increasing theoretical speed by 20-25 mph, I will decrease weight of the motors by about 400lbs. The weight in the front of the hull is on the heavy side due to the full cabin. I guess the real question is, will the nose cone tend to lift the transom?

jpclear 01-22-2005 12:25 PM

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Been just waiting for someone like SledgeHammer to speak up . If you already have a later style Bravo gearcase and are not expecting to run 90+ mph, the nosecone (although they look cool) will likely do more harm than good. I've been there too and would definitely NOT go there again. Since then I've removed several for people and everyone has been pleased. You might want to consider saving your money. --- JP

mikes280 01-22-2005 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jpclear
Been just waiting for someone like SledgeHammer to speak up . If you already have a later style Bravo gearcase and are not expecting to run 90+ mph, the nosecone (although they look cool) will likely do more harm than good. I've been there too and would definitely NOT go there again. Since then I've removed several for people and everyone has been pleased. You might want to consider saving your money. --- JP

ran mine last year with out one it is the new still Bravo boat ran 92 on gps put a wpm on it ran 97 gps and the imco is better i thank just my two cents

Harper220 01-22-2005 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mikes280
ran mine last year with out one it is the new still Bravo boat ran 92 on gps put a wpm on it ran 97 gps and the imco is better i thank just my two cents

Mike- What kind of boat and power are you running? I'm in the 92 mph area right now and looking to gain a little. I'm running a 28 Daytona 496 ho's xz drive 30p bravo 1's.

mikes280 01-22-2005 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Harper220
Mike- What kind of boat and power are you running? I'm in the 92 mph area right now and looking to gain a little. I'm running a 28 Daytona 496 ho's xz drive 30p bravo 1's.

280 velocity 540 whipple charged big block with a 32 bravo

SkiDoc 01-22-2005 07:32 PM

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If I do not use a nose cone will have to use transom mounted pickups, should be running 95 to 100 mph. Any one with opinion on the effect on stern lift, 97 Daytona 27, center sponson is at same depth as outboard sponsons. Anyone for Land & Sea, anyone put a low water pickup on standard Bravo, I'm concerned about drilling into the bearing part of the case.

rbtnt 01-22-2005 09:49 PM

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On a 28 Daytona, we found that a nose cone starts helping at 85 mph. Ran one drive with nose cone and one without. We liked the leading edge nose cones before we went with the IMCO shortie drives. I'm not sure they are still available.

SkiDoc 01-23-2005 06:58 AM

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RBNT, What did you notice about coming out of the hole and at midrange with the cones? My hull porpoised with the Quad 4's also.

rbtnt 01-23-2005 08:49 AM

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I can't tell you about hole shot or midrange. He only ran the one weekend with one nose cone. Neither of us ran our boats without nose cones. They went on before the boats ever got wet.

I don't know which way you are spinning your props, but if you are spinning them out, you will get more stern lift and I porpoised more.

merlin540 had a 27 Daytona that was very fast and I think he tried lots of different combinations. I haven't seen him post in a while though.

SkiDoc 01-24-2005 08:53 PM

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Everyone, talked to Hydromotive today, they report that with a nose cone water will be directed up to the side intakes and that a low water pickup is not necessary. They report boats which have drive centerlines 1 to 2 inches above the bottom running without low water pickups. I am buying it . Should I?

Prowler 01-24-2005 10:53 PM

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i put an eddie marine nose cone on my sonic,never lost anything in speed,but before when i got up around 80 mph you could feel the drive dragging through the water in the steering wheel,after the nose cone the steering wheel feels the same at any speed.

Lofty 01-24-2005 11:03 PM

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Damn Sean! You give good advice and nobody listens!

Give me a call or shoot me a PM. I've got something out this way for ya'. Either way let's hook up in Miami.

jpclear 01-25-2005 09:43 AM

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As said; I don't believe in nosecones on later Bravo's UNLESS YOU PLAN TO RUN NEAR 90. Then Bravo needs one. I like Hydromotive's and I think their judgement can be trusted. --- JP

SkiDoc 01-25-2005 01:45 PM

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Thanks for advice, I do think the shape of the hydromotives fits my needs the best. The crescent shape doesn't look as good on the trailer but it is supposed to counteract the lift nose cones give due to the increase in surface area. I will let everyone know what happens when the weather breaks. Eric

Zanie 01-26-2005 09:06 AM

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One Very important thing to consider is your "X" dimension and what angle you are trimming your drive at during top speed.
If your drive is very deep, most likely, you trim your drive very far out of the water at speed.
Now, looking from the side, is the tip of your nose cone directly in front of your propshaft center(if you are trimmed way out), nope it's below it. You aren't very well helping with the hydrodynamics, you are just poking a deeper hole in the water.
If your drive is set up with a very shallow prop depth the drive is run flatter puttin the pointy part right in front, where it needs to be.
With your boat on the trailer, trim your drive to where you have it for max speed and take alook from the side, picture how the cone will look, and how the water will pass over it.
Every boat is going to be different, but just a little more to consider.

SkiDoc 01-27-2005 05:32 AM

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Zanie, Point well taken. My boat does not require a lot of trim, so I think I will be alright with this. The main reason I am doing this is to get more intake water flow, I beleive it will work, if not then off come the cones and on go the transom pickups. The Hydromotive people insists this will work. Eric

freebird35 01-27-2005 04:52 PM

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I had the Eddie nose cone on a previous boat and didn't see much difference in speed but the boat would only hit 82. Out of the hole and handling at mid-range was not as good; didn't like it. If you're not a good (excellent) body man, have them installed by a professional.

After my experience, I would save my chips and go with the lower sport drives when I could. Good luck.

HPJunkie 01-28-2005 04:20 PM

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So if my boat goes 94 Mph with a high drive height which "type/kind" of nose cone and what kind of gains might I expect? Has anyone experienced a speed gain? Greg

SkiDoc 01-28-2005 04:55 PM

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Greg, I put an Imco extreme SC lower on my 25 Eagle at the same time I added the PC, I'm not sure if it helped me at low 80's but I will tell you that it handled better.

Formula Outlaw 01-29-2005 09:45 PM

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My experience with Hydromotive is they know what they are talking about. When I called about props and told them my setup, they told me exactly what I could expect and why. They hit it EXACTLY. I would very much trust what they had to say.

HPJunkie 01-29-2005 11:24 PM

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There has got to be some nose cone guys out here? Probably added nose cones before they went fast? g


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