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2112 02-01-2005 12:15 AM

Valve seat question
 
Are Hardened seats and ductile iron seats (in an aluminum head) one and the same?

Thanks

2112 02-01-2005 10:49 AM

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I have aftermarket aluminum heads. I was reading the spec sheet and instead of referring to the seats as "hardened", they just called them "ductile Iron".

Trying to determine if they need upgrading or are they good stuff?

2112 02-01-2005 10:50 AM

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Old heads on the left, new version on the right BTW

2112 02-01-2005 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sutphen30
those are street heads,hope your in fresh water,if your in salt you should have gotten copper berillium.even my street guys use the later.

Can you elaborate? I am not aware of what feature has copper berillium.

2112 02-02-2005 12:34 AM

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I assume it is a coating of the water jacket?

What about the seats BTW?

Strip Poker 388 02-02-2005 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by sutphen30
those are street heads,hope your in fresh water,if your in salt you should have gotten copper berillium.even my street guys use the later.


Bill I thought the Beryllium Copper was for titanium valves??????


http://www.delwestusa.com/manufactur...at_inserts.asp


http://www.aa1car.com/library/ar993.htm

http://www.aa1car.com/library/2004/eb50428.htm

some more ,,,,,,,http://www.popularhotrodding.com/eng...305em_bigbang/


,The cast-iron heads manufactured by Pro Action all receive ductile iron seats, as opposed to sintered units. They are machined and pressed in, and have proven to be hard-wearing and compatible with leaded race fuels. They are comfortable running with either steel or titanium valves. Even when you pull the heads out of the box, you can feel the smooth transition between the iron head and the seat, and realize it is certainly no flow restriction. Pro Action's aluminum head valve seats are made of copper-beryllium, which run cooler in the aluminum heads than in cast-iron surroundings.

2112 02-02-2005 09:35 AM

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do you use them for both intake and exhaust seats?

2112 02-02-2005 10:27 PM

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OK I am not sure why the salt water should affect the valve seats unless you are thinking water vapor coming back through the exhaust.

Are the canfield heads hard anodized inside the water jackets too?

2112 02-03-2005 12:00 AM

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Can't you swap the seats out?

Smitty 02-03-2005 07:19 AM

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Hey 2112--

What brand heads did you buy?? Just curious.

Thanks

2112 02-03-2005 09:43 AM

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I run Fords. The heads are the A460 heads that Ford Motorsport used to sell but are now sold by TFS. THere are better performing heads but not with the BB Chev exhaust port pattern. With less than radical porting they flow 460/350.

I am trying to get the scoop on the Copper beryllium seats and next the Hard anodizing. Can heads with seats and guides be hard anodized?

2112 02-03-2005 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sutphen30
all that stuff has to be removed.i was just looking at street heads to convert over to boating.canfield would do it for me but i would have to remove that stuff.

Is it worth it?

Are you going to do it?

I don't understand the anodizing process, I assume heat will create a problem with the disimilar metals, ie bronze guides and copper seats pressed into the aluminum.

Strip Poker 388 02-03-2005 10:56 PM

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A lot of people are using the Tucker valve seats .here some info foy ya

http://www.babcox.com/editorial/ar/eb40332.htm

http://www.tuckervalveseat.com/menu.html

http://www.tuckervalveseat.com/menu.html

HotPursuit 02-03-2005 11:22 PM

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I have run aluminum Dart or Brod ex for two decades and no problems with the
water jackets.Every few years you might have to weld up the water inlet that
meets the block.Besides the steel heads are so dam heavy.

2112 02-03-2005 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by HotPursuit
I have run aluminum Dart or Brod ex for two decades and no problems with the
water jackets.Every few years you might have to weld up the water inlet that
meets the block.Besides the steel heads are so dam heavy.

I don't have two decades but close to 12 years with aluminum heads 50% in salt water.

I flush when done and so far it has been ok but I would like to get the maximum protection short of closed cooling

2112 02-03-2005 11:30 PM

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Strip;

That 1st link is fantastic!


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