Need Advice - Used Engines
 

I have a couple new motors on order and I have to sell my old engines. I'm also getting the boat redone at Apache so I need to sell the headers, Y-Pipes and transmissions. I also have a 2 sets of really nice Patterson headers(low hours) and a Daytona crash box to sell. The boat is a full stagger race set up(18"). I have no idea what this stuff is worth on the used market. I was hoping for a few opinions.

Heres the story on the Engines. They are rebuilt mercury 800sc's. About 2 years ago we had them rebuilt. They started out as 572 cu, they are now bored .030 over. One engines is running fine the other one needs a new block. We noticed water in the oil at the end of last season when we took the engine apart, the block is toast(cracked). I basically have 2 engines that need rebuilds, with the exception of the one trashed block all the parts are good.

Lunati cranks, the connecting rods and pistons are all good. We bought new Dart aluminum heads 2 years ago and they are in good shape. The carbs are 2 year old manifold referenced 800 cfm holleys and the blowers are B and M 420 models with one season of use(30-40 hours) since rebuild. They have CMI 2 piece headers(Tube Top Split System) and Huber1050 transmissions. Oil coolers, fuel pumps and water pumps and the power steering pump are all in working order.

I would appreciate any input on what these engines and parts are worth.

The Patterson headers have less than 50 hours on them. they have been sitting in a warehouse for the last 14 years. They would be really nice on a single carb engine set-up.

The Daytona crash box is left over from the racing days, really dont know why I still have it :cool:

Any thoughts on what these headers and crashbox are worth would also be greatly appreciated.

Thx in advance.

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Carl,

Those a PRICELESS HEIRLOOMS, so they're worth a small fortune!

Very small.

Transmissions? Shame, shame, shame.

Is that ol' resin-bucket at Mark's now?

What's the new setup gonna be?

Did you hear that Nykamp (on this board) bought Allez Vite, and is bringing it to Grand Haven? It's got Zul 1100's, so be sure you've get enough to (finally) keep up! It's faster than it was in was when we used to play.

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You aren't going to sit back and take all this from your old rival are you Carl ??? ;) :D :D :D

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Apache Carl:

IMHO you have ONE engine to sell and used parts on the other: why? High HP blower engine with a lunched block is a boat anchor. I would expect the crank has to be machined etc. with H2o in the oil. That means a complete new long block to me. I would NOT trust a High HP engine parts that had H2o in them without refurbishing.

The value on the one good engine~ $5-8K because it is already bored out .030.

The other engine parts? hard to say.

Headers need to be pressure checked, and 14 years is a LONG time.

Free advice and worth every penny.

Wannabe

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Well Pete, the Allez Vite ass whippin of WarHawk will continue. Maybe you can go out on Nykamps boat and kick my ass again, just like the old days, lol :) I'm putting in Teague 540 cu 900sc EFI's detuned to 850 hp, only going to turn them 5200-5400 RPM. Looking for some reliable power. Going with Huber 1550 dry-sump trans, no crash boxes, please don't think less of me :) Mark is going to raise the drives an inch or two, they were always mounted a little low. Drive shaft will be 1 inch above the bottom of the boat then. Boat should run in the low 90's with this set up. Should cruise about 70 mph at 4100-4200 RPM.


Thx for the info Wannabe !!!!

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Carl, I have been working on this all day long and have meticulously calculated the value of your stuff to the penny. It turns out that the parts and engine are worth exactly $567.43. I have already made out the check, please let mme know where to pick it all up.


:D :D :D :evilb:

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Damn, I was hoping for $579.56 :eek:

Well looks like its plan B. Take the good components and sell on EBAY. Hopefully, the blowers, carbs, heads, trans and headers will be worth something.

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Let's split the difference, I'm a generous guy :p

BTW, I love that boat, you are a lucky guy :cool:

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Carl,

It sounds like a smart set-up to me.

Of course, that's coming from someone with a Formula that barely goes 75.

But it's NEVER broken in 5 years, which is something I never experienced with the old boat.

And I run 87 octane; not 110, which I could only get at Parkside in Holland.

God, how I HATED those long rides back on one motor!

Funny that we never broke in a race, but did many times just cruzin' .

But I think you'll miss the fun of docking with crash-boxes!

By the way, as to the value of your old stuff:

When I got out, I had 3 fresh (rebuilt by Tom Earhart), extra 572 inch blower motors (in addition to the Merc 1000's in the boat).

I ended up selling them them to Smitty @ Carolina Racing for $5 grand each.


That was 12 years ago. Nobody trusted them, even though they were A-OK.

And I had paid 40 grand each for them.

Take what you can get.

And yea; I hope to ride with Steve Nykamp and do it to you once again! :D :D :D :D

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Carl, When I moved from Everglades (where the boat was set-up by Tres) to Lake-X, the Merc people tried raising my motors and drives 2". It was expensive, and it slowed the boat down.

So they put in a 1" spacer: still slower.

Ended up with a 2" spacer (same drive height Mark built the boat with), and that was the best set-up.

Unfortunately, the motors and drives were still raised 2", which hurt the handling, as the center-of-gravity was higher.

And when Meanstreak couldn't ever beat us, even with Bobby Saccenti on the throttles, they raised their drives (I don't know how much), and they still never beat us.

But they DID have a great rooster-tail!

So don't exprct too much . . . and listen to Mister McManus.

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Thx for the info Pete. I'm going to go with Mark's call on the drive height. Mark told me that your boat was built originally with the drives 1 inch higher than mine. So if we go up 1 inch I should be at your old set-up.

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Oh.

Anothoer factor to consider: new 5-blade props can run well at higher X-dimensions.

You can take the money you get for your old motors and exhaust, and buy some nice Herrings!

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ahhhhhh 5 blades, good point.

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I would like a chance to buy one of your engines???

thanks

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Allez vite is coming back to Michigan!!!!!!!Yea Baby!!Dang I missed that boat!!Way to go Nykamp you the man!!! :evilb:

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Morning guys, yep she's coming home in the next month. Carl while you have her apart you may want to think about putting on some boxes. The 41 Sabers love them and TATONKA just got them, mine will be getting them in a while and TONTO is thincking about doing them as well. I know mark doesn't really believe in them but the guys that got them love the way the boats run with them. WICKED WON was the first to try them. I may know of a buyer for your exhaust, I will check with him today and will tell him about the motors. I am going to stop by Mark's in the next couple of weeks, I gota get some new apparel and stickers for the new dually. Carl let me know if you need her brought down to Mark's, I am going down empty so far. I do a bunch of hauling and I am insured. Steve

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Congrats on the new boat Steve !!!!!!!!! Allez Vite is a great boat. Thx for the offer to tow the boat down, but its already down there :p You should see it when you go visit Mark. Hope to see you out on the big lake this summer.

Take care

Carl

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Steve,

Did you sea-trial the boat?

What do you expect to gain from boxes?

Pete

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Pete,
I haven't decided for sure on the boxes yet, but was told that it really improves handling in following seas and general hook up.
Steve

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Firewater took them off in one race said he hated them..shot him to the moon..swears they were no good. Wicked loves them..Maybe the sabers have a different weight layout?? BTW very nice boat..original, do not start any projects. :D

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In my past experience you will get more $ from your used engines by parting them out. Have the blowers resealed and sell as fresh. Pressure test the headers and pipes. Send the transmissions to Huber and have them freshened up. The freshened up and tested parts should bring 40%-50% of new. The rest is used parts. Heads cranks, rods should bring 25%-35% of new. Don't waste $ working on them as most folks will want to do that themselves @ their engine builder. You might get $500 for the one good block. Toss the cams, lifters, pistons, & bad block. Good luck. Joe Murray

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Congratulations Steve!

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The Patterson headers have less than 50 hours on them. they have been sitting in a warehouse for the last 14 years. They would be really nice on a single carb engine set-up.


Carl, any pics of the P-son headers?

Mange
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No, but I'll get ya some next week :)

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Carl I gave my buddy a voice mail about your parts, he is gone on vac. right now but will be back home here soon. I know some of your parts a a prefect fit for a project he is going to do so hopefully you guy can help each other out. Let me know what you want for the motors? Take care, Steve.

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I sold all my parts on e bay...I am sorry I did...not really enough money

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If you still have those motors I would like to make an offer on them. You can e mail me at [email protected] with info on how to contact you.

Thanks,
Tom

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Drop me a email also at [email protected] you can call at 573-808-0598 Intersted in eng and related parts. Thanks Dennis

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Carl I called 2 freinds today about your parts, they will get a hold of you, if the parts will work for there projects. Take care, Steve.

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Hey Carl---I remember those old Patterson headers with the Y-pipes sticking out the transom of your Apache----yes, I remember them very well. Unfortunately, once you got that Apache, seeing the back end of your boat was something we, and everyone else had to get accustomed to---not much of a choice....especially from Booky's boat! ;) Had a lot of fun. :)