353 formula wippled arneon's
 

thinking of doing these modifications. what do you guy's think. boat has 5ooefi's and bravo's currently with low hour's. Roughly how fast will it go.

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I assume you are talking about putting Whipple superchargers on your 500EFI's and Replacing the Bravos with the Arneson ASD6 Bravo replacement setup (with the tranny in the box)?

Whipple on a 500efi will net you close to 700hp on pump gas.
That alone should take you from 81-82 to around 92.
Arnesons should give you 3 or 4 more.

If set up properly, you'll be knockin on 100mph, but I don't think it will quite get you there without a little more.

Stroke em to 540 when you do the Whipple for another 3 mph.
Add good heads and a matched cam and you're over 100 in a Formula on pump gas.

Whipples: $10,000
ASD6 kits: $35,000
Heads, cams, and injectors: $10,000

Less if you do it yourself...

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thanx for the feedback.

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lots of money to get that speed how reliable would it be with those mods

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The reliability will be with the engines and how well they are assembled and tuned.

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Speed and reliability isn't cheap, but it aparently can be reliable.

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i doubt you will break the arnesons (rik may be biased but he is right.. :D ) and just make sure the motors are assembled right w/ the sc's and those should last a good long time too...

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Sounds cool, but hope you never have to sell it!

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What are you trying to say, that Whipples will hurt the resale?

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rik,not to hi-jack this thread, but when replacing bravo ones with arneson's what happens to the center of gravity? with the tranny in the box and the length of the drive i was curious....

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That's the beauty of the kit, the CG remains the same as it was with the Bravo. I am only a few inches longer than a Bravo on a box and only about 5 lbs heavier than the same.

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Hey Plums
How are ya? Did you get it?
It will go fast and look real hot doing it. They wont break, they are the best drives out there bar, used worldwide from military to high dollar european yachts.
Rik offers terrific service when needed.
Talk to you soon
Ted

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Yep.

And the drives.

Very few people will understand the added value.

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Ask the perspective buyer to get in shut up and hold on!
then smash the Sticks to the Dash. Maybe then the "few" will understand The value.

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I think you and others will be suprised how main stream the drives have become.

This isn't the 80's and more and more boats work excellent with our drive units.

The value of a reliable boat is never forgotten. Look at any boat with big power and Bravos; they don't sell b/c the prospective buyer knows a headache when they see it.

Look at Fountain, Hustler, Skater, Scism and Nortec. They are not installing the drive b/c they don't work.

Look futher at Magnum, Azmith, Pershing, Baia, Sunseeker, etc. to see conventional pleasure boats that dock well, get on plane well and still go fast and reliable.

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Hi ted i'm rapping up the deal tomorrow. How do you like the arnesons on the eliminator? Are there any negatives to this setup or are you completley satisfied ?
rik how are rocker plates different than trim tabs.Will i need them on a 353 formula with arnesons?

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hey plums hurry up and get this done i cant wait to go 92 :evilb:

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Are you guys suggesting Arnesons will HURT resale?!?!?! Uuuhhhh ok.... They will ONLY add value to a boat. You only need to talk to a couple of Arneson owners to realize that they NEVER LET YOU DOWN!!!

They do handle different, not badly just different to a conventional drive. With a heavy azz boat like a Formula they'll only improve it. Go talk to Tony Adams (Blown Away), I can't say that I've seen his boat on the trailer for more than an oil change since he converted his Formula to Arnesons. I'm sure his boat is worthless though. :rolleyes:

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I have said it before and will say it again, When I begin the build of my 41 for myself I will use Arnesons and will push potential customers in the same direction. Maybe Rik is just a good salesman but he sold me at the Miami show a year ago and I would put them on my 21 I am building if it was more cost effective than a standard bravo.
Beau
Southern Offshore Boats

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Plums,
Good, I heard you might be, classy big boat for you and ALL the little ones!
I always liked the concept, finally tried it and once the install fine tuning was done, I would never ever own a bravo again. They are mainstream and easily fixed but why have all that jam under the hatch and not be able to indulge? It makes no sense to me to fit a boat that is heavy or heavily powered with a drive that is not matched to the torque capabilities.
On my Daytona, as you saw we had some install fine tuning initially but once we set up properly and mashe the throttles it was like a drag boat from 80 to 115 and thats with naturally aspirated 540's.
I am completely satisfied with the performance and the look with all that chrome and hand made stand off boxes is pure race. Lightweight strong and show peice finish for less than a six drive. Cant beat it.

Rik does what he says and builds a package to be proud of. Cost is very fair, think of a broken drive at 12 midnight between your house and mine with all the kids on board. Mama wont be pleased!
Anything else?

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Hey Hot rod Todd
It would be nice to see the young fella hanginat your stern for once at 92!
Summer isnt far off, see you then

Ted

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hey Ted hope he doesn't make us pitch in for fuel i will make the drinks our other Nordic buddy just informed me he is looking to do some Whipple's on his 35' looks like i will be last again I'm going up to the work party on easter weekend if your in town stop by :drink:

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Hello
The drinks are always welcome on a hot day or nightTodd. I will cook and the girls can serve on the dock.
The 35 should run good, I think it was running around 80 plus when I was in it, maybe more.
I am going for the Whipples on my 540's, should be around 925 to 950 on pump gas.
Easter weekend heh, I dont know the dates but I will come over if I am around then. Plans for your engine? It is a good looking package, a few extra mph should be easy for you.
Are you running a 454 or 502?
T

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Ted i gots a new boat a 32 dominator twin 502mags lightning headers ecms filters stuff like that runs 85gps with 30 pitch bravo's gonna stay away from superchargers for now if i want to go fast i will go for a ride with you cant wait for summer mine will start may long weekend at roses getting ready for a kobe feeding tonight come on down gonna be there for 9 :D

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Sounds good Todd.
Good for you, I cant wait to go for a ride. Did you get it in USA? What colours?
Kobe's is always a good feed, thanks for asking though, staying home tonight but tomorrow is DM's birthday. I am trying to think of a place with good food and some live music. Any suggestions?
My cell is 778 895 1320

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i will give you a call

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i never understand why people think it hurts resale... i wish i had them on my Hustler.