Stud Girdles
 

I'm running Alum. Canfield 350's with a Hyd. roller cams.
When are these girdles an absolute necessity?

Re: Stud Girdles
 

How much spring pressure are you running?

Re: Stud Girdles
 

Jessel Shaft rockers are the way to go one less thing to go wrong I think with hyd cams you will be ok but stud flex is always there have you broken a stud that is your first sign.

Re: Stud Girdles
 

Mark,
Broke a stud at the shootout last summer.
Installed new stud with boat in slip and was
running in a few hours.
Going with Jesel shaft rockers this year.

Re: Stud Girdles
 

There is an rpm/spring pressure line that if you pass it, girdles are very helpful.

Aluminum heads automatically run closer to that "line" than iron heads.

ARP studs are your stopgap measure.

Re: Stud Girdles
 

This may not be the greatest analogy, but is a person more stable standing on one leg or two?

I have always heard that the weakest link in the Big Block Chevy is the valve train. The old design stud mount system is some really old tech stuff. Shaft mount rockers are the way to go if a person can afford to go that route as it really isn't all that much more expensive. With shaft mount rockers you eliminate the need to purchase guide plates or studs...so, you're already money ahead there----and that is especially true if stud girdles are needed! Besides that stud girdles are a pain! A shaft mount rocker system is more reliable, and stable, and takes car of/elimninates ALL that other stuff for you. :)

Re: Stud Girdles
 

If you are using alumimun heads that will see any constant rpm over 5000 and you are running a hyd roller set up, I highly recommend a stud girdle. Aluminum heads allow the stud to flex more so then a steel head. The can lead to unwanted valve train harmonics that can harm the engine.

Chris

Re: Stud Girdles
 

After reading up on these shaft mounted setups mentioned, and the girdles...i see that the shaft mounts are the only bullet prof way to go.
Looking at about $695-$1200 depending which type/options or should i say how light you want them.
Now that I have the CMI's i needed to finish this project... :rolleyes:
Im looking to dial the motors in at 55-5600rpm WOT. My cams are 248/258-.608/.617 so i just wanted to make sure im covered in the valvetrain. I think 140 is the seat # on the springs.
So are a set of girdles ok for me?

Re: Stud Girdles
 

You don't need them, but they won't hurt anything to run them. :D

Re: Stud Girdles
 

Back4More, I just went thru this same exercise this winter. Was running aluminum heads with studs and Crane Golds, and after 250 hours it was time to freshen up my rockers. I ended up going with Jesel Sportsmans.

Like your setup, I'm running .600/.615 lift and 140lbs on seat, with hyd roller cam. I also spin it up to 5500/5600 WOT. My dilemma was whether to go with Sportsmans (~$700/set) or Comp/race (~$1200/set). My builder and I concluded that my setup was fairly mild on lift, and not real high rpm, so the Sportsmans would be sufficient.

Keep in mind that no upgrades to HP motors are simply "bolt-on". My heads needed some mild millwork to get the pushrod geometry to clear, and you'll need taller valve covers for the extra 3/8" height inside.

Do you really "need" this stuff? Maybe, maybe not. Will you have a confidence that your valvetrain is stable, making the best possible power without stud flex and harmonics? Absolutely.

What the heck, it's only money. :cool:

Brian

Re: Stud Girdles
 

Which HP motors did you install these on?

Re: Stud Girdles
 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Stud Girdles
 

i am running the T&Ds shaft mounts and they are good even can get them with spring oilers

Re: Stud Girdles
 

Mark,

My engine builder (Dave Wesseldyk of WESCO) intall the Jesel Sportsman's Series on my engines set up with hydraulic roller cams. He has used them on several engines now without any problems. He only uses the competition style Jesel's on all out racing engines or on very radical cam applications.

Also, from what I could see, Laz Mesa posted a picture showing off a couple of freshly built engines in a thread here recently showing the Jesel Sportsman's Series shaft mount rocker system that he is offering on his marine application engines.

Re: Stud Girdles
 

They were HP500's a while ago, but not much is original anymore. They're 509ci at 9.5 CR now. I'm running Pro Topline 320 heads, custom ground cams, Morel lifters, Isky Endurance springs, Jesel rockers, Pro Systems carbs, full MSD ignitions, Aeromotive electric fuel systems. Still have Dart HP500 rect port intakes, port matched to heads.

Brian

Re: Stud Girdles
 

If you haven't already spent the money on good rockers, studs and guide plates, don't waste the money on stud girdles.
You probably don't need them anyway. Spend the money on shaft rockers, Summit sells Jesel for around $950, T&D are good also. They both fit under stock valve covers. The shaft rockers don't dance around on the valve stem knocking the guides out.

Re: Stud Girdles
 

My customers have given alot of postive feedback on the Jesel SS series. If you are starting fresh, then these are not much more then if you bought rockers/girdles/studs/and plates.

Chris