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CMG 06-19-2005 10:23 AM

Re: close call for JBS
 
I'll ask because I don't know - is there insurance on race boats or is the loss completely out of owners pocket?

Pete B 06-19-2005 10:26 AM

Re: close call for JBS
 
While thier is seems to be some confusion over the term canopy webster's has several meanings, the one best suited, a transparent cover over the cockpit of an airplane, most canopies used in racing were from F-16's. Being in aviation for over 20 yrs, i can tell you that although they test the design, many canopy systems have failed due to large feathered objects flying into them at speeds less than Mach. The design on the JBS canopy does not use the transparent covering for structual integrity. If there are any engineer's reading maybe they can give us a physics lesson.
IMO opinion the system worked, Jeff and Joey walked away. Racing is a dangerous sport, all willing participants know the dangers.

ApachePete 06-19-2005 11:25 AM

Re: close call for JBS
 

Originally Posted by Ryan Beckley
JBS is on the OUTSIDE
Pier 57/Twisted Metal is in the MIDDLE
Lightning Strikes is on the INSIDE

Pier57 has the lead and was the first boat to the pin. As they go through the turn thhey bump with JBS MID TURN between the two pins. This bump causes JBS to veer to the right which is when LS blindsides them.

So you're saying that JBS was at fault for not giving way to the lead (Lisa) boat?

Pete B 06-19-2005 11:28 AM

Re: close call for JBS
 

Originally Posted by CMG
I'll ask because I don't know - is there insurance on race boats or is the loss completely out of owners pocket?

The second choice :( , when the green flag drops so does the insurance.

Ryan Beckley 06-19-2005 03:29 PM

Re: close call for JBS
 
No I am saying #57 was in the turn first and can take there own line through it.

Cash Bar 06-19-2005 04:38 PM

Re: close call for JBS
 

Originally Posted by Ryan Beckley
No I am saying #57 was in the turn first and can take there own line through it.


I agree Ryan, seems 57 was hotter in the turn and may have kept their line. I don't think they realized JBS had swung in behind.
This is from my previous post about my thoughts on this...


I believe that the desription of the RIGHT turn in question suggests that JBS may have been arcing(apexing) the turn from farther outside and coming back to the next(inset) bouy.

Pier 57 seemed to be on a hotter line, going deeper in the turn, perhaps because they were aware of Lightning Strikes on THEIR inside. The fact that they were turning right means if they set their turn to be later/sharper they were coming back inside the turn as JBS was still SLIDING out in their turn.

This is the action that caused JBS to bounce inside directly in the line of L. Strikes.

Think about the begining of the "Freeze Frame" video when the F-1 boats bang together, middle one hits the inside one, then pinballs out and hits the outside one. Same idea I think.

This is just a THOUGHT as to what MAY have happened, please don't bash me.

ApachePete 06-19-2005 05:51 PM

Re: close call for JBS
 

Originally Posted by Ryan Beckley
No I am saying #57 was in the turn first and can take there own line through it.


Same thing.

Ted G 06-19-2005 09:41 PM

Re: close call for JBS
 
Okay, I've watched and read and thought about this, but can someone answer for me why Pier 57 went by JBS so fast? I mean these boats are evenly matched power and weight right? Was Joey backing off to set up for the turn, because the driver can be clearly seen turning the wheel to the right prior to and after Pier passed them.

dhlaw 06-19-2005 10:54 PM

Re: close call for JBS
 

Originally Posted by insptech
Okay, I've watched and read and thought about this, but can someone answer for me why Pier 57 went by JBS so fast? I mean these boats are evenly matched power and weight right? Was Joey backing off to set up for the turn, because the driver can be clearly seen turning the wheel to the right prior to and after Pier passed them.

Probably one of those 114mph, #6 drive Fountains they run in OSS..........

Cash Bar 06-20-2005 12:15 AM

Re: close call for JBS
 

Originally Posted by insptech
Okay, I've watched and read and thought about this, but can someone answer for me why Pier 57 went by JBS so fast? I mean these boats are evenly matched power and weight right? Was Joey backing off to set up for the turn, because the driver can be clearly seen turning the wheel to the right prior to and after Pier passed them.


Hey Ted, See my theory in post # 104. That is my decipher of the situation.

Hope all is well. See you in Key West this year?

SCRAPMAN1 06-20-2005 09:24 AM

Re: close call for JBS
 
I wish I had 114 mph and #6 drives. I'd catch Spiderman and use my kids Spiderman Spray ( web throwing) and spray him down so he could drag me from behind and then just at the turn, spin me around so I could pass
him, then catch that Switch boat.. .. See I do have helmet damage to my head I 'm thinking crazy thoughts.. It was racing.. clean and simple. Enough about analyzing- See ya in Sarasota-

:p Lisa Matthews-used Billy's name, forgot password for LadyLuck
941-232-4524

gary nichols 06-20-2005 05:20 PM

Re: close call for JBS
 
Dry Sump--Jack Carmody's canopy failure was caused by stuffing -not a rollover-some contend the canopy would have stayed attatched if he had the lids on. Gary

MANITIE 06-20-2005 06:27 PM

Re: close call for JBS
 
Lisa and Billy....great to hear everything is OK....a little bump on the head every so often is a good thing...it keeps us all in check...Great to hear that you will make Sarasota....good luck...

mbowers 06-20-2005 07:48 PM

Re: close call for JBS
 

Originally Posted by gary nichols
Dry Sump--Jack Carmody's canopy failure was caused by stuffing -not a rollover-some contend the canopy would have stayed attatched if he had the lids on. Gary

Excellent point Gary....

dhlaw 06-21-2005 10:11 AM

Re: close call for JBS
 
I got the opportunity to sit in the CMS Mechanical SCL not too long ago and noticed that it has a full roll cage including supports across the front windows to keep the plex from coming in. It is clear that alot of thought was put into the design. MY super v has a full cage too and it is made from pretty hefty tubing.....

packinair 06-25-2005 07:53 AM

Re: close call for JBS
 

Originally Posted by SCRAPMAN1
I forgot password for LadyLuck
941-232-4524

can get new PW at the bottom

http://www.offshoreonly.com/esvon/in...page%3Daccount


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