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while on the subject of gudge matches who would win this one?

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Its a coin toss on the winner of a race but Motley Crew would definitely win a partying contest!!! :evilb: :D

Frankie
Pier 57

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I'm sure it would be a good race....and the Showtime Team is also running fast.....

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Motley Crew.......no question

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Wow !!!!!- CMS or Motley Crew - head to head racing - very cool - I'm getting my plane ticket today to watch these guys in Key West - the only better way to watch would be to put a camera on ShowTime pointing backwards and watch these two battle it out

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Montley Crew!!! Sorry Bob... No harm, no foul???

Ben

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dont buy that plane ticket too fast. Motley Crew will not be racing in KW.

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Brett

your comment has no merit, considering your too scared to race your own boat anywhere. and then sold it. dont try and sell that crap if you dont have the balls to get back in a boat after one spinout in a so called offshore "lake" race.

i dont want excuses bout orphaning your kids or widowing your wife or you need to get your house done. If your not in a position to back up your smack, you shouldn't be talkin.

by the way...I'll be looking forward to seeing you kick some ass in that SCL next year.

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the crew

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I would offer to prove my guts to you by driving in a race with you on the sticks in the WHM svl but that thing has been over more times than my Cig..... Having good sense shouldnt be confused with being scared.

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Nice !

The Brothers Motley are great guys and deserve some respect for what they have accomplished with a new boat this year. But why would anyone expect that from someone that has such good sense.

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Your axe should be pretty sharp by now.... you've been grinding it for quite a while.

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who needs an axe when Bruce has a hammer....


Kirk out

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Yeah, he's really been putting it to me....... (sarcasm added)

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they werent invited as a group, jc played hardball back in the spring remember, wanted all the money for himself, quit trying to spin this.

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If it were such a masterful hand, then why sugarcoat, and try and put various spins to get the OSS fleet to go to KW??
If it was a bluff , OSS called it and did their own thing had their worlds in ST Pete, its called "intregity". Just as the followers of SBI/APBA/UIM/WPR, they have intregrity and loyalty to that group. It's that simple, where teams go from here well thats up to them to decide, where they think, their sponsor money will be spent best, (that includes the guys who do have the deep pockets)and sponsor themselves.

this thread was simply started as a fictious match-up, skater vs mti, 2 different boats to different organzations. 2 different personality groups.

you can put as many spins on this very old subject but the fact remains there will be two offshore races being run that week, one in KW, and one in St Pete. as for 2006.
only time will tell. and as a fan, volunteer, racer, or just a opinated person. go where you money serves you best, be it KW, ST. Pete, or right at home.

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At this point in the year it is what it is. teams , fans must decide where their dollars will be spent. what is the point if OSS would do the same thing, furthermore it is just speculation. enjoy the rest of the season for what it is, not what we spectulate it could be.

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he wanted it his way and it didnt go like that, sure human nature, we all want it our way but in reality we must play the cards we are dealt. as for the term hardball, he gave a ultimatum, remove KW from OSS schedule or face a law suit, call it what you will sounds like hardball to me.

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dont know I dont speak for them, ask them. but in the end what does it matter to you , or me, or anyone else that does own a boat or race???

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Couple of points here -

1. The fans (sorry to say) have NO impact on the decisions of SBI or OSS
- Fans simply do not pay the bills- Fans buy magazines, fill hotel rooms
drink beer etc... SBI and OSS do not get a direct cut/ piece of the
action. Hands down Key West is the place to watch a boat race and
have a great time in the compressed space of Duvall Street. The town is
set up to show people a good time and the boat races are an excuse to
come. The very best second site on either circuit will always be # 2 no
matter what the quality of racing is.

2. SBI & OSS have two different business plans - Many business with
similar products survive side by side - McDonalds & Burger King do well
across the street from each other serving the same product. The
difference here is the product is low cost and population and customers
are plentiful - In our case Offshore racing the product are drivers &
boats that are and will continue to be expensive. The boat population
reflects the cost. There is simply no reason to dream that these two
organization can or will ever merge - just does not make good business
sense. (The exception is the KW worlds were fixed cost could be
amortized). There is no good way to increase the race boat population.

3. For racers the more boats to beat the better for bragging rights and the
more the challenge. However per the rule books when a class has max
number of boats the pay day is all the same and will never equal the
expense of getting to the race or the capital cost of the boat/engines. If
the boat racers were to pretend for a minute to be business men then
the classes would max out at 5 and the odds of return on investment
would be 2x a ten boat field. Ok ok ok so we don't do this for money, it is
for ego and then we knock the promoters for the same fault ?

4. Most race sites can not handle more than 50 boats unless the format
goes to multi day racing. Coast guard permits, closure to sea ways, sea
animals etc... it is just not realistic in this day and age to have boat races
with 100 boats at each race. Back to the money thing - very difficult for
Parks, Marina etc.. to make money after giving up valuable space.

5. The group/ organization that has low overhead or can find a way
to make money at offshore racing is the winner - and the fans will then
have the opportunity to hang out at the best places. Management from
each offshore organization that has ever existed understands that it is
more fun to watch 100 boats then 30 boats, but has to run a business
and not be held accountable to the fans. Race promoters have huge
liabilities and have to offset this with insurance and profits to keep the
wheels turning - they have to pay the bills.

6. Couple of voices have spoken up to say "stop all the fighting" between
racers and between organizations - If you don't like to read, then turn off
your machine. Strong opinions, views and criticism is what makes our
American Flag wave so proudly in the breeze high above our homes. If
you are going to punch one another in the nose then this great country
also has a legal system to deal with that (exception being OJ). And let
your voices be heard

* None of this was important to me until I read in a thread " ISS" (Inshore Super Series) - you guys crack me up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep up the good work

This thread started out as CMS kicking butt .........looks like someone got worried and changed the subject !!!

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Bravo James!!!!!

Welcome to OSO.

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James, all are great points and I couldn't agree with you more.
This thread did start out by matching up the Crew with CMS and then with ShowTime, but the real deal was never brought to light.

Fact: The Crew is an OSS Boat. CMS and ShowTime are SBI.,so as far as race sites the only one missing their own championships would be the Crew
The reason for Motley Crew not taking the offer had nothing to do with rough water, they're from NJ, 3'- 6' is a calm day....The reason is simple.....$10,000 just would not make them miss their own worlds at OSS....THAT'S WHY THE REAL OFFER WAS PUT ON THE TABLE AT THE NORTH CAROLINA RACE...$100,000 WINNER TAKE ALL. So far ShowTime replied his mother didn't have the money (maybe Mom would put up the money if they let her drive) and they haven't heard a word from CMS.

This isn't a SBI or OSS thing, I'm a SBI Boat and will remain loyal to SBI but my vote is still for the Crew and it seems the same as others reading this thread 61.67%

Thats the deal

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the crew put on a good show in the pits and on the racecourse they never give up just look at them in orange beach bad start off plane twice and still take first plus they have kurt behind them for that little extra push

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What he said!

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I'm going to tell my mother what you said about her driving - FYI she keeps a spare set of fenders in the living room just in case she has another accident -

The initial agreement for a heads up race was $ 7.00 then it went to $ 25K and now $ 100K !!!!!!!- the fact that you think it is dangerous to run a figure 8 race course - I supposed made the price go up - ?? I have spent a considerable amount of time recently purchasing beer that is not on sale and visiting various establishments were the women do not wear cloths - I simply do not have the money to participate - any chance you would accept pictures of little boys off of milk cartons to add to you existing collection instead of cash ?

SBI / OSS stuff - it's all good - and I understand 100% about about attending the worlds -no complaints at all..................oh I do have one - I do see the crew has a slight lead in the poll - my take on this is that the CREWS people are bright, young, and intelligent ( you being the exception)---- (this is not a bash on you, it came from printed court records in three different states) while the CMS fan club all have have huge breast and can not see the key board to enter a vote properly--- and may infact have mistakenly voted for the CREW - Its the Florida ballot system that is at fault here - not the people -

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James, seems like you got a little confused.
First, I understand you have quite a collection of little boys pictures from milk cartons....I would really hate for you to break that set up.
Second, Im not part of the Crew. ( they wouldn't let me join, you know, the printed court records and all......and it was in 5 states not 3.
Third, I didn't make this deal up...I just thought the readers should know the REAL DEAL. If it goes off or not really does not effect me. The Crews boat just happens to be from the same stable as ours. If your boat was from that stable, I'd be speaking up for you. So....its not about me, just Motley Crew, ShowTime and CMS and I guess there is no takers

As far as figure 8 race course being dangerous......gee, I thought they were all figure 8's....it seems to be working well for us this year
Good luck at the races.

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Great site Bob. Love the music! And the Babe.

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Thanks, Ron
She will be at the Keys with us.

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All kidding aside, a match up between CMS and the CREW would be awesome- start low and work your way up - I understand that ShowTime has won 3 of the 4 most recent match up this year against CMS.

It is increadible the tiger like skills of Bob & Mitch of CMS are able to set Kilo records and stomp ass on at the first race increadibly rough race of KW Worlds last year - Without a doubt the second best team in CL and undoubtedly the fastest CL boat running - If the Crew can beat CMS then the only other boat they will have to attempt to conquer is ShowTime, that may be reaching for the stars but god bless these guys for trying.

When ever the CMS & CREW match up happens you can count on the unbiased team of ShowTime to be sitting on the pier drinking hard liqueur and fondling their women while the race is going on -

Good luck to both teams -

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The Crew all the way.Scott can turn that boat like it is on rails or maybe it is.They have steeped it up to a new level for that class.Congratulations.

Wil

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CL class is good and for sure any day any boat has a good chance - We all have our schedules for this year so all we can do in yap about it - Next year means new schedule and commitments and maybe we can mix it up -

Before I say any more I want to take a moment to remind myself that my Ex-Wife's lawyer said I had a problem with commitments

We will see where the beer is the coldest 2006 and play it by ear -

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I have to agree James, I would have put ShowTime up against the Crew instead of CMS. In any case save me a seat on the pier.

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Seeing I started the thread, I chose CMS due to it being a MTI, and because showtime had not raced all the races this year( but no disrepect to the showtime team). Their Skater is fast, always has been, besides its a Skater nuff said. If all the SCL got together it would be a cool race.

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ALL 3 are fierce competitors. Anyone knocking the crew in all probabilities has never been in race with them. The guys are great drivers , well prepared, and true sportsmen. If you want to knock them put your money and balls where your mouth is and come race! Then you will earn the right to an opinion that matters! And while I am at it , those of you who think racing in small waters at high speeds does not take as much skill as bigger waters with slower speeds better take another look. I have done both and assure you that the chances of being hurt or killed are still there at high speed in 2's. It takes skill to do both but don't fool youself when you strap in for" flat" water you know the risk factor is still there! If you doubt that ask Randy Lienbach's family and friend's. Sorry for all this venting, seen too much crap this week.
stan

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Stan,
You guys have a great class and next year more competitors.Flat waters,in my opinion,are more dangerous,especially for the cats,with the speeds they are achieving.Going into a turn at 130 has to be the most dangerous thing to do in a boat.Anyway,Stan get that new Rocket of yours ready for TX.

Good Luck,
Wil

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Thanks Will, We WILL be there.