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Hello fellow racers and fans. I have never posted on here before. I have just watched and kept my opinions to myself, but today is a new day. I have seen people bash APBA OSS SBI, and the people that run them for a long time. It makes me sick. The people that run these groups do the best they possibly can for the sport of offshore.

When I was a soldier there were all types of uniforms army, navy, marines, air force etc... When someone got in trouble we didn't care what patch they were wearing. We were all U.S soldiers, and would rain a $hit storm down on anyone who was considered a threat.

As for racers ( the men and women who climb in a cock pit and lay it on the line) We are all part of the same family weather you like it or not. and us as racers should not allow anyone to bad mouth the sport we all love. I for one will not be associated with any person group or forum that allows this to continue.

If you are a racing member of any group you should be allowed on here. We may not all agree and have the same views, but we are all racers, Brett , and shane are friends of mine,and are current racer members if they are not allowed here then see ya.

Mark Mathews was band, but Pete B is not?????? Again if they are on a race team they should be able to be here. As long as they dont bash any of the groups that work night and day to make our sport better.

I have seen this racers milling area allow bashing and if it continues I no longer want to be a member. This is a racers forum and we all should be after the same thing. ( MAKING OUR SPORT BETTER)

I hope all racers have the time of there life at st pete or key west and thank you to the groups that made these sites happen!!!!!!!!!

If anyone thinks they can do it better step up. until then shut up!!!

This is my opinion only.

from pete b
Frank,
do you think they will get to keep thier money??
__________________
I passed on the Kool-aid

lets see who is man enough to come take it!!!!!


JIM BULL
DRIVER: #2 AFG SUPER V

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Wow Jim nice first post AMEN

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Amen to that......

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Jim
Nice post.
Which Brett are you talking about?
See you in a few weeks.
Brett 30 Miccosukee Indian Gaming

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Well said, Jim. I've said this all along...if you don't want to race SBI, then don't......if you don't want to race OSS then don't. But don't sit back and bash them. It's only hurting the sport in general !!! Dave

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I think he was talking about Brett Hartley "DHLAW"

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Brett(d-hlaw) is my friend, and I will miss his "No BS" attitude. He may be a lawyer(and snake oil salesman) but we all have our faults.

Did anyone notice if his classified for the Cig. was still up?

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Wow.............Jim.........you came out of the box strong -I like the part about armed forces uniform - nice interview on OLN Miami race ( put some sun tan lotion on next time) ............can't believe all these guys got into so much trouble for bashing ...........I used to beat my X mother in law and never got into this much trouble, I was drunk at the time so maybe that makes a difference -

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:eek: :eek: :eek: I'M WAITING IN LINE FOR MY POPCORN

JR

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Very Cool Jimmy! Nicely said and to the point.

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Well put, Its all about the he said she said bull ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Save the drama for your mama And lets all just race
Cory
Extreme Liquid Assets SVL 9
DONT BE SCARED AND CONFUSED JUST GET OUT THE WAY

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Jim,

I'm glad you posted this....and well said...
We need you on here...and you have shown that you will speak your mind..

Thanks for your input..

See ya in a couple weeks....

Gino

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Jim....

with all due respect to you, and many others on this forum. I dont know you. and you dont know me. Im sure you have read many of my posts and think they are trash as well. And thats understandable, because some of it is. But, since certain people were banned from this site, alot of the BS has ceased. yes there is still much competition between certain parties on both sides, and i don't necessarily agree with either. im just tired of fighting. Now, I'm assuming that you are related to Bob Bull and I have a great deal of respect for him as well. But, just because of who you are related to and that you race in SV doesnt really mean any thing to anyone if you jump ship just because you dont like what they are saying in this forum. Life will go on with or without you.

In my opinion, I think Bret should be banned. He hasn't raced in over a year and I dont see him racing any time soon. So, what gives him the right to instigate arguments with current racers in this forum? He has been warned many times, along with others, if the attacks continue, they will be removed.

I have no idea what happened with Bret, or why he was banned. Im only voicing my opinion as I see it.

if the the BS is going to stop, it should start with a couple of people that are not current racers that post in this forum only because they must be starved for attention. they have also been warned on numerous occasions, but somehow keep coming back for more.

while many, if not most people on this forum agree with you, nothing is going to change.

I may be negative but thats ok. the only way things will ever get better here is if there is only one association. then we will all be on the same team and work together as one.

once again, I say say this with the utmost respect for everyone here.

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Klaatu

I knew you would be the first to respond. I posted here with nothing but respect toward Jim and my fellow racers, and you make it your business to try and irritate me. You are no one here and while many people may not agree with, or like what I say, to many ...you are nothing but a moron.

So, maybe you should be the one recieving the time out. As I am not starving for attention. I just tell it like it is.

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So who exactly is the moderator of this forum now?

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WOW Bruce or Bertel were do I begin? Well first off let me thank you for you thoughts. Here are a few of mine.Where I come from respect is earned not handed out like candy. As you stated you don't know me , and I don't know you. Let me introduce myself. I am one of maybe 200 people in the united states that spend countless hours working on a race boat, and operating it to the best of my ability in a professional setting. As far as being related to Bob Bull he is my brother, and best friend. My posts should have no reflection on him. Bob is his own man as am I.

Bruce I may be wrong about you after all we just met, But you strike me as someone who thanks they are better than everyone else, and if that is the case I am truly sorry for you. You stated that (just because of who you are related to, and that you race super v doesn't mean anything to any one here) The last time I checked this is a offshore racing forum, and super v is the biggest fleet out there. As far as jumping ship I don't duck, and run from anyone.

I didn't post on here to expand my Christmas card list. I posted in the attempt to stop the bashing and personal attacks. Name calling and finger pointing. We as racers no matter what patch you ware are family. Our views don't have to be the same, and we don't need to be banned for that.However we should be accountable for bashing any group or individual just because there views are different.

It is not up to us who gets banned from here it is up to the moderator of this forum. Is this a OSS forum only or a SBI forum only APBA forum only or is it a place for all racers??
That is left up to the owners of this sight. not me you or anyone else.

Again I am thankful for all the groups out there promoting offshore racing.Having more than one group breads competition and if you don't like competition why do you race?????

I am also sorry to hear that you feel we cant all get along until there is only one group. How sad for you. I will be racing with several groups next year, and hope to meet many new friends along the way.

JIMBULL: Driver
#2 AFG super v

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Hey Jim...... I love you too man!!!!!

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Consider it knocked off.

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Jim...nice to meet you too

First of all, Im not Bertel. I write solely on my behalf, Bruce Seroff.

I too, am someone who spends countless hours and dollars on a race boat.

And Yes, you are wrong about me. I dont think I am better than anyone. Maybe equal to some, but not better than any. (well, maybe a few :eek:)

Maybe, what I was trying to say, was taken in the wrong context.

Once again I say this with all due respect.

What I am trying to say, is what makes you think, that you can try and change the attitude of all these people to be positive, when it has been tried by many many others with no success? And what makes you think that if you come on here and say "if the BS doesnt stop, your out of here"?
I dont care if the most respected man on Earth, who ever that may be, comes on here.

Nothing is gonna change.

The name calling and bashing has been tolerable in the last several weeks.
I never said we cant get along , I happen to be very friendly with people on both sides of the fence. And I dont fault anyone for racing where they choose.

I know for a fact that many people on the SBI/APBA staff are unhappy with the current arrangement, and may be making a change for the better next year. I hope it happens. Next year may be the year for everything to come together. I also know that many race teams with SBI/ABPA are not happy. unfortunately, some have nowhere else to race, so they tolerate the tyrany. Again, maybe next year will be different.

I could care less who gets banned from this site. Yes , I have a problem with some people on here, but I know Im justified with my feelings because many others feel the same way.

How many of these people would be supporting this group, if SBI/APBA didnt merge? I know who the Loyal APBA guys are and I know who the SBI guys are too. I also know that the merger isnt working. I know one thing for sure. If it werent for the OPA guys in 2002 and 2003, SBI would have half the fleet at their worlds. What thanks does OPA get? None, just a kick in the ass.

I think Im getting off track here. Im just saying, that I know or I suspect where the problem lies with the current offshore arrangement. And it needs to change. I hope it does for the better of offshore.

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"Bruce,
I challenge you to do a search and provide a post where I started an argument....... you wont be able to because it has never happened. I have asked some fair questions, made some honest observations and been personally attacked by you on more that one occasion. I understand that you like to be the big man and push klaatu and a few others around on the site but it meaningless to me. Your "all hat, no cattle". I may not have been in a race this season but I did alot of testing, paid equipment registration, and license fees. I am also renewing my membership this week for next year. Like it or not I am here, so stop the ad hominem attacks and move on.

Brett"

Well, Brett, since you asked and deleted so quickly, I'll answer your question. You may not have started an argument and maybe you have. But you have, on several occasions, added fuel to the fire. Im not going to waste my time searching your posts for arguments you may or may not have started. And I dont care if you tested or paid registration. It means nothing. Im only saying that you should keep out of arguments and discussions that don't directly affect you as a racer. You know, as well as I do, that you throw in digs when you can.

I have steared clear of any controversy recently. But I think that this thread is just stirring the pot. Arguing here, takes a tremendous amount of time and energy. And its not worth it.

So lets just chill.

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Sorry Steve .....

just read your post....

Im done too. :drink:

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I have been chillin Bruce..... there have been very few posts in here from me with the exception of an occasional congrats.

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Hey Brett, nice avatar !! When did you go from Cigars to Cigarettes?

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Its the only one I have right now... I ahve some new ones to resize though.

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Jim well said and some very good points !!!
See you all in KW at the World Championships .

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Transparent, infantile bashing wrapped in a flag proclaiming love for the sport, again, again and again.

You cannot love it or make it better by attempting to murder it. SQ

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Hummmmmmm
Steve tell us how u really feel !!!

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Jim Bull,
Great to hear from you. I hope you and Bob are doing well. Looking forward to hopefully seeing you more in the future...

Take care, Ben

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If the organization are going to stay seperate, than at least try to schedule races seperate. That way we can race OPA, SBI, and OSS, (plus a few Jersey skiff races :eek: )
thants what I'm talking about
raced with all 3 this year and want to keep doing it :drink:

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Quote: Bruce
"I know for a fact that many people on the SBI/APBA staff are unhappy with the current arrangement, and may be making a change for the better next year."

Quote: Bruce
" I also know that many race teams with SBI/ABPA are not happy. unfortunately, some have nowhere else to race, so they tolerate the tyrany. Again, maybe next year will be different."

Quote:Bruce
"I also know that the merger isnt working"

Quote:Bruce
"If it werent for the OPA guys in 2002 and 2003, SBI would have half the fleet at their worlds. What thanks does OPA get? None, just a kick in the ass.

Hey Bruce...Glad to see you want the bashing to stop....sometimes the problems on OSO are much easier to
see then we think.....I'm sure the SBI/APBA Staff are happy your posting how they feel on here and what they might be doing next year....How about you just speak for yourself and leave the SBI/APBA staff and other racers speak on here if there not happy....think about it....if they wanted everyone to know how they feel...they would posted on here...unless they told you to post them things on here...

Scott....I agree....I hope all Organizations can maybe work on
scheduling on differents dates so all the racers can benifit....

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Jim, welcome to OSO and thanks for posting your comments. Your thoughts are well founded and what is needed in this sport. However, change needs to happen from the top down, not the bottom up. Your brother did a great job of bringing people together last year. This year I feel the loss of his leadership.

Your comment about the branches of the armed services working together doesn't seem to apply here (I wish it did). The US armed forces work together for a common goal, whereas the racing groups don't seem to have any sort of working relationship or common shared goal.

I believe if just these two items would occur, harmony would prevail.

1. Hold a summit, right after the Worlds. SBI/OPA/OSS should try to pick race dates that don't conflict with each other, allowing teams to do some cross racing if they choose to.
2. Hold a joint - unified World Championship in Key West each year. Letting each group have a turn at running the show from year to year.

If each group would realize that the other isn't going to go away, and some mutual respect shown, I believe you'd see things would turn around very quickly.

I personally don't believe that everyone needs to get together under one flag...as long as we all get together in Key West and race for a unified World Title.

If you recall, last year, harmony reigned through the entire season as everyone looked forward to racing together in Key West. That's what the sport is about, and that's why 97 boats showed up in Key West last year. It was AWESOME!!!

Thanks for posting your comments, your heart is in the right place.

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Jim, love your post. I wish there were more people like you and your brother that cared for the sport as much as both of you. I hope you get driver of the year. It will be tuff to beat out the stunt driver that Mitch Miller hired for the Miami Vice movie. He was incredible, but you definitely got my second place vote, or at least rookie of the year.

Good luck at the The Real Worlds

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I'm not a racer, but I am a fan. I still don't understand why one racer cares where another racer races. If you are happy with your organization, why would you care about another? Let people race with whichever group they want, and don't try to tell another organization how they "should" run it. I used to attend several races a year, but the last couple of years, it's been real hard to get pumped up about racing with so much bickering going on. Many times, these arguments sound like a bunch of second graders arguing over who's daddy can beat up who.

Like my momma taught me, if you can't say something nice.......................

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Cuda , I agree it is what it is and thats not going to change !!!
SBI/APBA WORLDS CHAMPIONSHIP is in KW same as late year.
OSS WORLDS in St.Pete

Both races will be great, and every team has its own reasons to race where they decide.
Speaking as a racer we are excited and looking forward to 3 great days of racing. With 70-80 boats exspected it should make for some really exciting deck to deck racing. KW is the high light of our year and what we work so far for.
I wish everyone the best of luck no matter where u race, because the bottom line we are still all racers and doing what we love to do.

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OSS really, honestly tried that. All we wanted was the same deal as last year and as agreed. We were disinvited, told that our racers had to join SBI & UIM, race two races, pay lots of $$$$ and whatnot. Finally OSS recieved a letter from thier lawyer telling OSS to remove Key West from their website. They did. They removed themselves totally by unanimous vote. This thread is called "enough is enough" .. it is. If they don't want us at thier party we wont come Simple as that

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Randy,

Good luck in St. Pete be safe.

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Hey Jim,

Good to see your name on here. Had a great time racing with you guys last year and some good laughs. Say hi to everyone and good luck in your racing.

Ken Bowen
Adrenaline Racing