Victory vs. Doug Wright hull?
 

Just out of curiosity how does the New Victory hull stack up against the New Doug Wright?

I am also interested in how the Ocke hull will do. Very cool to see manufacturers being new product to a top notch stage like SS.

The victory hull is the Ocke hull. Victory is now building that design. The Doug Wrights that are racing there now are a few years old. I f you were to take GB' TNT there or the Stihl boat there you would have the boat to beat for sure. The newer design DW's would do extremely well over there.

I didn't know that the Victory was an Ocke. I thought they did thier own.

From what I was told Ocke was contracted by Victory. I may be mistaken but I think that is the deal.

the ocke/victory has their hands full with the old DW, they don't want the new ones coming over... :drink: the 32 DW are also the biggest boats over there and all the races now are pretty smooth courses in near the shore for the specators, they have a plan for a new hull to capitalize on that if gary or somebody else builds a new one for over there, a little more smooth water speed if you will. :cool:

in the rough, none of them really hang with the old mojo boat or gary's...

Doug has some new bottom ideas that he has not tried yet to make the boats even faster in the calm water. Sounds like they would also turn alot harder as well. If someone were to build one and race it over there, i think the ocke/victory boats would have their hands full!:cool:

I notice that the Vic. boat and a few others have a lot les freeboard on them....is Doug thinging of cutting down the decks a good 20 inches.....

Gino,

Not for sure actually why he uses the amount free board that he does but his newer designs seem to be using a little less free board then his previous models. Along with the bottom changes that have increased the speeds of his design Doug uses a lot of his knowledge from his degrees and also racer input to better his models. His deck and free board have aerodynamic characteristics that help the boats run the way they do.

Also many deck designs from here in the states help with the aerodynamics of the hull and deck combination's. If you notice some of the designs here in the states have very distinctive lines(DW and MTI) which all helps in the over all design.

looking at some of the boats over there and what I notice with Reggie, OL and skater....they are cutting the decks down a good 35%....I would think it lowers the certer of gravity and less drag....Dougs boats seem to have the tallest boats out there....I think its great and the way that the Manufactures get the input from the race teams they have to better there product....Doug has more then proven he has the best if not one of the best SS boats out there....and think his 38 could be out front in the SCL hulls.....

monkey see, monkey do is okay if you are a monkey. :drink:

remember that DW (or DW built boat) pretty much has dominated superstock for the last decade. Now, with the 38 in 850 (after only a handful of races) starting to show signs of following suit. I wouldn't worry about mimicking other builders for no reason, the shape of the DW is purposeful for many reasons. Everybody knows cats are very aero sensitive (from all directions), so the shape of the boat needs to be designed accordingly.

as far as the 38 working in SCL, probably not, really needs to be a 36 or so to really compete with the much smaller/shorter 36 skaters.

Pretty much what I would have said Sean H but you did it a lot better then me. Watch the 38 in 2009. I t will be the one to watch for sure.

the 38 has been tweaked/worked/tested/setup for the upcoming year, it should be interesting. :cool:

It's going to be great Sean!

:cool:

Have anymore Sean?

I'm sure one Ray and crew get some time and tweeking it will be a front runner....you have to remember...all the hours and years of R&D Skater and MTI have....

will be? :drink:

in only 4 850 OSS races it went 4th, 2nd, 2nd and 1st.... in that order... and it's much better now. :cool:

I got a bunch on the other computer from all the testing this year so far... will put some up later.

Sean whats the theory on the high freeboard??

Basically for a couple of reasons......a higher freeboard creates a thicker wing which gives more lift (although too high and it will create drag), the deck/hull join is rounded and the boat has narrow sponsons so the higher freeboard on the standard boat allows the use of inboards. I think the latest incarnation of the boat, G Ballough's yellow TNT boat, is one of the best as it was purpose built for outboards and cut down with the canopy from the 38 for more room. However, as can be seen from races with Stihl the cut down deck hasn't made it any faster....it now carries the bow a bit better with less aerodynamic lift in the stern.

We did a lot of cool changes to the bottom of the 38 which I think would make the 32 a killer if he incorporated them into the mold. For instance the tunnel starts as a 2" radius at the bow and gradually increases to a 12" 45 degree at the stern to increase compression while keeping the same tunnel width, slight S curve to the hull is a little more forgiving in over trimmed situations and adds a boundary layer to decrease drag in the tunnel, etc........hell I even added steps to the spray rails in mine to reduce hydrodynamic drag.

what dale said pretty much covers it..

also, as far as the 38, the higher sides allows more contour which helps with crosswind issues compared to flat sides, the boat doesn't seem to be sensitive to them very much at all.

I also think it is decieving to look at with the shape of the boat and the canopy farther forward than most cats its size. It makes the height at the cg appear taller. I bet if you put a tape measure on it that it would be only a few inches taller than a skater or mti at its cg as well.

the cockpit has room to come down a few inches and the bow could be lowered a bit, but really, at the cg and rearward its nearly ideal for that boat. (the transom could come up a few inches actually)

even with the engines a half inch off the bottom of the sponsons it still required scoops to fit the 850's, so it can't be that tall. :drink:

Gee Wiz Fellas all this tech talk is very intimidating. Heck I don't even know what freeboard is. Anyway I'm gonna give my 2cents just cuz I can. Guy's 38 is impressive to say the least although with the 525's if they went any slower they'd be going backwards. The 850's are working well for them and as a-z said a little tweeking and the others 850's are gonna be chasing. That's if Guy keeps it straight.:rolleyes: The boat has great lines ( or lack of ) and looks really cool. One thing I don't like is that there dosen't seem to be good visability. it's only my speculation cuz I haven't been in it but the windows are very small which I know is much safer but you gotta be able to see. OK I'm done now but look foward to messin with the fury team this year they cool dudes

Those are outside on a job sites each night...

you just make sure you drag that skater down to biloxi at the end of the month. :drink:

sorry Rick but I don't get it ? Ya gotta remember I spent about 23 or 24 years of my 40 on a garbage truck barely finished high school and didn't go to college. I'm not that bright so can ya keep the jokes simple. That is if it is a joke.

I know you can be more creative !

Thanks both of u, I Love hearing the reasoning. It seems to work great. I know we went through some real thought proceses with Pete when we did the first 38.hopefully we can work together to make the 850 package run in SUPERCAT. I am sure DW would love to compete against everyone like us. Dales ideas have alot of merit...Thanks

GARBAGEHEAD better go find a bigger bottle of asprin, because i'm going to be your biggest headache this year...maybe we have to put a little wager on the SUPERCAT
"triple crown"

ST Clair Tom Abrams backyard
Patchogue Your backyard
Port Clinton Mine (if it happens)

Ps i still owe u for last years embarasssment in Patchougue

i think we need to make it like sunny isles, sarasota and st clair.... have a supercat triple crown winner, all challengers welcome. :cool:

I like the St Clair, Patchogue, and Port Clinton idea. I know I'll be at all of those :D

I could be, but I don't think Guy wants anymore yellow/orange paint on his boat this year... :drink:

Correct. Mannerfelt designed a totally new hull for the Victory team.

you know Sean iit sure beats the at yellow paint from "i cant drive WHM" ....at least with the 750 guys u know u were in a race....Steve Curtis....Abrams ...Big boy and us....a liittle different story...


Comon u must admit Guy was a little surprised when these 750 guys showed up...differnet than the 850 guys....