BOATS WANTED for P2/Class 200
 

We would like to see if there is any interest in putting a P2/200 or similar class together for 100-105 mph. We need boats to commit. There must be some old race/pleasure boats, Cat or V hull, outboards or I/O, naturally aspirated that can fit in this class 100-105 mph.
Examples: Motion 30-35', Spectre 30-36', Skater 24-36' Eliminators, Doug Wright, AMT Cat plus the Vee Bottoms that could run in this class. There has to be several potential boats that fit in this catergory. We feel that this would fill the void that these race boats currently don't fit in a class or don't have a place to race. We feel that there is a potential out there that this could be made into a fun and exciting class on and off the race course.Lets get the boats back out there and race again! Please feel free to respond with any interest , comments or suggestions.

Deb,
Are you trying to see lf there are any boats with lnterest to try and re buld the P2 SBl class again ? Be great to see some of the older Cats battle lt out.

Yes, I would love to have a P2 class in SBI again. We can even open it to Vee bottoms. Naturally aspirated 100-105 mph. I am sure there are plenty of boats that want to race again that really don't fit anywhere else. There is a big void between classes and this would give a lot of boats a place to race. I would love to see some of the older boats come back Cat or Vee.

A canopied fountain capable of 110 should feel right at home there. I say that as some have brought the point up to me that 90 in p3 is to slow and that the speed should go back to 95. I don't agree. My boat may run happily around 88-90 but more than that is getting hairy considering everthing else that is running that speed and over has a lid on it. SVL, Superstocks etc.

I agree. A class of 100-105 mph is what we need to fill the void. I am not canopied. Cat or V would be welcome. Naturally aspirated. Some days water is good for Cats other days for V's. That is racing. Let's get some boats to commit and start a class again.

Trying to tweek a little more power and speed to help your cause :-)

Bill, do you mean you would be interested in being in P2 for SBI ? That is where I want to have a class. There is such a big void and we can be open to IO or outboard, Cat or V naturally aspirated. 100-105mph There has to be a few boats out there that still want to race but don't have a class. We need boats to commit. Besides yourself do you know of anyone else looking for a class like that?

Debbie,

Just my opion but 100 MPH class might be a better number for some of the boat, 105 MPH start to to far a reach.

Frank that is fine with us. We want to race and I am sure there are other boats that feel the same way. There is too big of a void between classes. P3 only wants monohull. We wouldhave Cat or V hull Io's or outboard. 100 mph is good that would bring more boats. Maybe we could get a good boat count and have a nice competitive class with enough boats showing up at the races.

Yes I am interested in p2 for SBI, I have talked to a few people who interested in racing down south this year and keeping the boat down there. We r just trying to work out some details.

Would these other boats also be in p2? Let me know if you need any help with any details. I keep our boat in a shop in vero beach. I might be able to get some help there with a good price.
When can people commit?

l agree Brian

P4 80
P3 90
P2 100

Pretty simple

Very! However, I believe that unless all the people that would like to run 100mph are registered with SBI nothing will happen. Most of the boats that are (as far as I've heard though the grapevine) running in P3 are capable of running 100 easily. That's 2 canopied Fountains, a sv Phantom and maybe 1 or 2 more. Not all are registered and I doubt that they will be till the first race. Heck I can tell you exactly what will happen. a bunch of fast boats will show up at Cocoa and look at me and say I'm slowing them down because I want 90 and not faster. lol, just my opinion and with all do respect to my fellow racers. Brian W

I was wondering why the engines have to be naturally aspirated?
I thought the "P" classes were regulated by speed?

That just wont happen. What happens to Billy with his 1965 resin bucket that shows up to only 2 local races a year and has an average finish of 6th place at the slower speeds? You cant go changing things or you will lose him and the sport will be over. Sorry guys, I was having flashbacks to when I was 18 and knew everything. Be careful though using logic, someone might tell you that you need to take your meds... :party-smiley-004:

Here we go again . lol

That rule has been ln affect with SBl for yrs other then ln P1, we found that the blower motor have a huge acceleration advantage. So to try and keep the racing a little closer on the small track we run and all the turns that rule was put lnto place.

Good question.

Brian you have some good points l guess we will have to see lf there ls enough boats first to have a classs and then maybe boats will be moved up ...

Nah, What Deb is trying to do is a great thing, however in fixing things and re-adjusting speeds, it creates a trickle down affect and the other classes must be thought about as well. Everyone thought I side-tracked another thread, but I was thinking about the whole picture, not just one class. If you create one class and there is a mass exodus from another, nothing really got accomplished. To me its common sense, but, well, I'll just leave it at that... In a perfect world you will have a limited amount of classes, with multiple boats with the opportunity to win a National Championship, instead of a National Attendance Award that you clinch in the first race or 2.


Disclaimer:"National Attendance Award" author is Extras, it was so good I had to use it

Time will tell.

I don' t think many p3 will move up I have already talked to some of them they want to stay in p3

I'm surprised.

Brian I know you want to stay in P3 and I talked to Scott with the Phamton he wants P3
I also talked to Scott with the fountain and he wants P3 until he get7s used to the boat. If someone wants to move up to 100mph that is great but my intention is not to eliminate a class or to change anything we just want our class back for us and other boats that have no other class and can fit into P2

It is great see Class 2/P2 coming back in OPA and SBI.There are many older catamaran and vee bottom race boats out there can be raced safely and competitively at 105MPH.It may take some time to build the fleet,but the potential is there.

SBI target speed is 100 mph its just a better fit and safer for the class.

I agree with you Frank.Hope they can work it out.

Make it competitive for Vee against Cat in same class and you just might have something.
Thinking bragging rights and all ;)
Agreed though on not wanting to pull boats from an existing class.

Simalar to what they r doing in the old P1 class that is now Superboat Extreme. They ran 11 boats in KW and they had some of the best racing of the week with a mix of V's and Cat's.

I used to run a ....
 

go fast O/B rally up north, 176 boats our biggest yr. The main events were the drag races and I was very leery of how to pair the boats.
Reason being, there is a serious divide between the vee bottom and tunnel/cat guys and also the Merv Vs OMC guys. (sound familiar??)
I took the list of racers and did my best to put cat against vee and Merc against OMC. I was scared to death doing this assuming every loser would be in my face after the fact.
Was the exact opposite. They all loved it! We had a P.A. also so the racers and the spectators could hear our M.C. (me :whistle:) talk **** about all of them while explaining the rivalry for the spectators. (my personal opinion is this is huge for the success of a race)
Was an absolute hoot! Validation of this method came the next year when at the drivers meeting I asked the guys how they wanted to be paired and they unanimously voted for the same as last year.
When I raced kneel downs I didn't care as much if I was first or last. Just wanted someone to race ;)

So true l agree most racers l talk to really do want to race other boats the more the better.

Sure they do.

Most? Jeez Id hope its all lol

Hope ls a great thing to have, hold on to lt...

Here's one for idle chit chat. What should be done when a boat shows up alone? Give em the check and leave it on the trailer, handycap them for the next class down or throw em to the dogs in the next class. Its certainly a quandry for organizers.

I hear ya there

Back to the original question. I am looking to put P2 back together in SBI. Cat or V hull. IO or outboard 100 mph naturally aspirated. There must be some old boats or new ones that want to race but cannot fit in the current classes. This could be a really great class.

I have been talking to some people that are interested in a P2 class for SBI through phone calls and PM's . People are asking questions but nobody has made a commitment yet. If someone will commit I think others will follow Zipp Express is in. Anyone else want to commit.? This could be a co
mpetitive and fun class with a variety of boats.

then put a carrot out there (free or reduced entry fee) for the first year, that should start the class again

That would be nice, but it is not up to me nor do I think it will happen. Are you interested in joining the class?