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smiklos@sunprint 09-12-2015 09:51 PM

Strain gauge on input shaft with data logger is full time dyno.
Steve

Captnmike 09-13-2015 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by Xtremeracing (Post 4353863)
Its been tried 10 yrs ago we dont want to go there again doesnt work very well, actually where is one out there with a water tank and 2 trailers that u can buy cheap.
Just get good tech and u dont need it. Its a big expenses for the org. that they really dont need.
Someone also mentioned something about adding weight for parity that doesnt work either bad idea. The right way is to reduce rpm by simple chaging the chip in the MSD and monitoring the data logger.

Who is WE, certainly not the 60-80 men and women who gave up on factory class racing because they couldn't get parity on engine output.

And how cheap are a couple of good tech guys.

So why do I spend an ungodly amount of time making sure any boat I race runs at the minimum weight? Just because weight hasn't been used effectively doesn't mean it work.

And how many RPM output limiting boards do you what? People have been using them for 25 years now. Real easy to hide in that tach wire to the data logger.

I'm not trying to be a pain in the but, But

A rules package with 50 year old motor and 35 year old ignition and 125 year old fuel management just doesn't seem to be very innovative to me.

On of the best things we could do, is spur new technology in to marine racing engines.

Let people run what ever engine package they want, even the Marine 7 outboard could be used!

500 hp-500 ft lbs. max. across the rpm range.

I doubt you are going to get many boat manufacturer running to an old class.

But you might get some engine builders willing to push new technology, and there is no better place to test new technology than racing!

Carry on.

Mike

Xtremeracing 09-13-2015 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by Captnmike (Post 4354072)
Who is WE, certainly not the 60-80 men and women who gave up on factory class racing because they couldn't get parity on engine output.

And how cheap are a couple of good tech guys.

So why do I spend an ungodly amount of time making sure any boat I race runs at the minimum weight? Just because weight hasn't been used effectively doesn't mean it work.

And how many RPM output limiting boards do you what? People have been using them for 25 years now. Real easy to hide in that tach wire to the data logger.

I'm not trying to be a pain in the but, But

A rules package with 50 year old motor and 35 year old ignition and 125 year old fuel management just doesn't seem to be very innovative to me.

On of the best things we could do, is spur new technology in to marine racing engines.

Let people run what ever engine package they want, even the Marine 7 outboard could be used!

500 hp-500 ft lbs. max. across the rpm range.

I doubt you are going to get many boat manufacturer running to an old class.

But you might get some engine builders willing to push new technology, and there is no better place to test new technology than racing!

Carry on.

Mike

Mike,

Not sure how much experience you have with the Race Pak G2X but its give you true rpm, and plots the track the entire race .

Maybe you can explain how you use weight effective to slow a boat down in a ocean race with4 to 5 footers Most racers including myself add weight and extra fuel to the boat , and prop choice is for the contions u r racing. In those condition a 90 mph boat becomes a 80 mph boat so weight is no disadvantage, and you set the boat up for 80.

welfare racing 09-19-2015 05:50 AM


Originally Posted by sean stinson (Post 4331333)
By Trent's count we have 10 F1's and 8 F2's.......Now I need a commitment like a real commitment in writing so I can take it to the next stage......


I have one, but its not factory stock power anymore

welfare racing 09-19-2015 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by Black Baja (Post 4336043)
There are a lot of holes in your engine rules. With those rules you can make well over 500 hp. The more rules you have the more you will have to tech the boats/motors this will take a lot of time and money. You are better off giving a cubic inch stipulation, cast intake single 4. And let everyone run what they bring. If you put something together like that you can count the old F1 Donzi in. Other than that I don't believe you will have the resources to tech the boats properly and it's not going to be fair.



Maybe im an idiot, but may want to add a top speed stipulation on it also, as I believe the F2 boats did prety close to the same speed of each other out of the factory, now HP and engine builds issues are nullified

welfare racing 09-19-2015 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by PARASAIL941 (Post 4336884)
Most circle tracks only tech top three with fourth place on standby . Simple cyl PSI test after setting baseline for class tells enough ( I know cam lift / overlap ect will alter results , ) Tech guys usually ask for random part inspections ( may require top 3 pull intakes , or pull a valve cover to check lift ) Anyone illegal would have to go through tech at next race before being allowed to race . If your kicking everyones a$$ because your illegal , you'll get caught , if your just awesome , people will still hate you .

If you go with an engine build route..........If it is deemed that you are not cheating and if all is to spec, then the boat owner should not have to pay to get their crap put back together, they should be compensated for that reassembly, perhaps by the whiners that are trying to call them out......now if they are found to be cheating then the cheater should be fined and forced to pay any of their old winnings back which would be dispersed equally to the others in the class ...... thats my opinion

Xtremeracing 09-19-2015 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by welfare racing (Post 4356370)
Maybe im an idiot, but may want to add a top speed stipulation on it also, as I believe the F2 boats did prety close to the same speed of each other out of the factory, now HP and engine builds issues are nullified

If you put a max speed then you're basically running P class racing and there are numerous classes for that already that all of these boats would fit into.

klaatutooyou 09-19-2015 07:27 AM

IF cheating seems to be the major problem in getting these classes back together .

how many ,...I mean what percentage of racers actually do cheat ? any guess ?

Yes I know it only takes one .but really how many say out of a 12 boat field .

Xtremeracing 09-19-2015 07:43 AM

In a perfect world if no one push the envelope in any motor sport you wouldn't need inspectors no different than NASCAR. It's the organization's job to supply the proper technical support team to oversee it.

Captnmike 09-20-2015 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by klaatutooyou (Post 4356393)
IF cheating seems to be the major problem in getting these classes back together .

how many ,...I mean what percentage of racers actually do cheat ? any guess ?

Yes I know it only takes one .but really how many say out of a 12 boat field .

In a spirit of the rules sense, 9

In true violation, 2

Just my observation over 30 years.


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