APBA and Lee Mills.....
 

What's the latest?:confused:

According to the list of sanctions, published by APBA Detroit and treated as gospel in certain circles, 11/19 - 11/24, Key West FL, has been sanctioned by APBA Detroit.

http://www.apba-racing.com/RaceSchedule.php

Screw-up or major news?

We shall see.

That was last year .....

Right you are ....

http://www.apba-racing.com/Sanctions...0141&hideNav=1

Their sanctioning year ends in October. No listing at all for 2004.

You Go!!!

What? You haven't done your homework already?!!

The links Mike A posted didn't work. I think these are the ones he is referring to for those with popcorn invested.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...threadid=59747
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...threadid=59754

Well said Mike,
I'm glad someone finally mentioned nobody's really making "profits" from all their efforts. I know personally APBA Offshore has had to financially bail out some of the local promoter's. Thank you from Buffalo!
John B

Mr. Allweiss,

Not that you have any reason to answer my questions, and I applaud you for comig on here and speaking your mind, but you have not addressed my questions from last week. Would you be so kind as to do so? Please find them below. Also, I have another question. Do you draw a $120,000 annual salary from the LLC or do you put your own money in and do it for the love of the sport. O concur that APBA has made many improvements. I am not bashing or jumping on any bandwagons. Most all from OSO know that is not who I am. I just tell it how I see it. From time to time I have been wrong and I am also the first to admit it. So I guess I would just like to see the above clarified, and my questions from last week addressed. Thanks in advance and best wishes.

Shane

I have a few questions:

1. Wasn't Lee Mills part of the original group of investors in the LLC?

2. Wasn't Lee Mills a former member/officer of the LLC?

3. Did Mr. Mills loan the LLC and a specific individual money above and beyond the terms of the original investment in the LLC?

4. What happened when Mr. Mills asked to see a record of how and where that same money was spent?

5. Was that same money ever accounted for? Or was it lost in the "Abyss"?

6. Does the LLC still owe this money to Mr. Mills?

7. Did the LLC ever offer to repay this same money to Mr. Mills using APBA dues to be paid at the Worlds, which is money that is supposed to go to APBA Detroit for the upcoming years membership fees/dues?

8. Is Mr. Mills still a member/officer of the LLC? If not why not?

9. If he is not an officer but a debt holder of the LLC and they reorganize under another name, say...Offshore Racing League, and declare themselves insolvent, does that not free the LLC and its members of any liability to any possible monies owed to Mr. Mills if in fact there are any?

Before anyone jumps down my throat for not blindly following the LLC, or for supporting Mr. Mills, I am doing NEITHER! I am simply asking specific questions whose answers may or may NOT be based in material fact. I am just ASKING! Not insinuating or anything else. If anyone can provide more insight I am certain that it would be extremely helpful for all those concerned. Thank you in advance to anyone who may be able to shed some more light on this most unfortunate of circumstances.

This reminds me of the classic question:

"Have you finally stopped beating your wife? Yes or no!"

better get your boxing gloves out boys
 

There ARE ALWAYS a few people trying to tear down what other people have worked for. Alweiss has never claimed to be perfect but I can tell you one thing , if you push hard enough you'll get the fight you were looking for! BH

All said and done, I have never really followed the race teams since I was a lot younger and watching Gentry, Gus Anastacio, etc. I watched Don Johnson, Chuck Norris, etc. etc. but honestly, they raced. All this finger pointing now, etc. is hard to take seriously. I can honestly say that if you ask me about a real offshore racer, I could never even name someone that currently races - I just don' t think of them as racers. They have tons of money and whoever has the most has the fastest Skater. Honestly, who cares anymore. For example - even if I won a measly $ 3 million dollar lottery, I could easily have the fastest boat. Give me a Skater with Sterlings- I would run with the Bacardi boat ...except I would have nitrous (or whatever) and would smoke everyone. I'll provide the boat, I guarantee there is a driver and throttleman available! I have the utmost respect for all these guys, but let's go back to real racing. You run OFFSHORE, you run for a long distance, you might hit a floating log in the Mississippi, who knows. No more chasing bouys. Bouys are for sailboats. Anyone can go around them in circles.

JROMY,
I watched the old guys too. The APBA racing today is much better than the old days! Your comments about $ used to be true. It always helps, but today you need setup and co-hones, because the equipment you run is strictly controlled. This is what Mike and the LLC brought to the sport. You can't please all the people all the time!

Mike A.
Thank you for all you've done for us.Many really do appreciate it.Dont let others jealousy stop you from forging ahead.

From my point of view as just a fan with no vested interest, I don't need all those questions answered.

I had only two.
Where are the Apba WC races going to be held, and when.

I believe those have been answered. There may be a handful of people on the board who need to know every last detail as why something is a certain way. It's kind of like making sausage I guess, it's better if you don't watch.

Thats funny :D

Would You Please Both Work Together
 

Mike and Lee,
Please Mike and Lee for the Racers and Sponsors could you please work together you need to understand the Racers and all the Sponsors are upset and walking out.The Racers are losing sponsors and they are really upset with all the changes. Please lets see if we can have a meeting in Ft. Lauderdale or St. Pete. As President of OPBRA I will try to see if we can in some way mend the fences let's not lose any race teams or sponsors we need to all stay strong and together for the love of racing
Thank you
Debbie Fleischman/ OPBRA President

I believe there is a giant rat or two in this woodpile who either have personal vendatas or would like offshore racing cease to exist.If it was'nt for Micheal and John Carbonell there would'nt racing right now or television of these events.Lets go forward!The last I recall the LAST PERFECT PERSON LEFT 2000 YEARS AGO-I think he was a carpenter not a boat racer!

Please you all need to get along for the Racers and Sponsors. We will all lose if you do not get along and you start changing the race sites and rules the Racers will bail out and get feed up. Please we all need to work together.We all have sponsors that where sold on Corpis Christi, Bahama's, Tampa Bay and Key West
Please for this year get together for the racers let's work it out.
Thank you,
Debbie Fleischman/OPBRA President

Mike,

First, please re-evaluate your above statement. Most of my posts are NOT about APBA. I have nearly 5000 posts and I would be willing to bet that less than 5 to 10% of them specifically address APBA. If you find otherwise, I will gladly stand corrected. Furthermore, I have been a member of OSO since its infancy, however I chose at that time to not become a Charter member. Please see my member number. When did you join? I comment and participate in everything from Poker Run discussions, to political topics, to technical assistance and more. You may note that typically I speak about what I know and have no apprehension about calling a spade a spade. As stated earlier, when I am wrong I admit it and take my lumps when appropriate. However, I think if you review my comments/questions about APBA you will see that I have not bashed them, only asked the "tough questions". As for my experience, I began my racing career in motocross and snowmobiles, and attained the professional level. Keep in mind in those disciplines, to become a professional you have to earn the priviledge to obtain a pro license. The decision to award you such a license is predicated on your past success and your ability, determined by a panel via an application process. You simply do not have to pay an equipment and membership fee, pass a DOT or FAA physical and show up at the race as is the case in offshore. I have raced APBA, USO, SBI etc. I have many wins under my belt and with the exception of 3 races (2 we broke the other we ran out of fuel, none of these occurrences happened in the Pro-Stock boat) I have never finished worse than third. I have raced and won in Shadow Cats against boats that are/were far more expensive, years newer and technologically advanced. Obviously, winning in a boat that was 20 years old speaks for itself. Additionally, I have raced Sutphen's, Active Thunders and Velocity's. I have raced the Old Pro-Stock class, now Super Cat Light Outboard, the old B Class and Factory 2. I have won from the front and come from the rear, I have stuffed and nearly been killed and I have come close to going over more than once. At this time I am not a member, racing or otherwise of any racing sanctioning body, however, I maintain friendships with people who are. I am a member of several powerboat /poker run clubs. I raced in Key West when it was truly a World Championship event, when USO, APBA and SBI all competed together against one another for ONE Championship. I have also competed when there were several different World Championships, which I believe is ridiculous. How many Superbowls and World Series are there? Currently, I enjoy Poker Runs and Fun Runs. I am married, have ayellow lab named Zoe, 3 snowmobiles, 2 PWC's, a Skater, a Formula and I am lieutenant of my local volunteer fire department. I am a member of the Glens Falls Kiwanis Club, and a past member of the business outreach committee, mayor's office, city of Glens Falls. I am an Investment Realtions Officer with Ayco Asset Management, a division of Goldman Sachs. I hold my series 7, 63, 65 and life licenses and am a Registered Investment Advisor. I hope this qualifies me to ask the tough questions and participate in the thread.

I too know very little about yourself. I am sorry for your troubles with regard to your leg. Your drive and ambition, in conjunction with your tenacity are admirable. Have you ever raced? Are you a member of a sanctioning body? I would like to know who you are in more depth as you always seem to support APBA regardless of the circumstance. Blind faith in my eyes is a dangerous proposition. Keep in mind that this is an open forum and many of us have paid to post here. Additionally, if sanctioning bodies are going to come on here and use forums such as OSO to promote their business, make specific promises (i.e. the schedule is set in stone and there will be no further changes), and they are funded with members dues, is it not fair that we can pose these questions? Or, should we just take what they say as gospel? Over promising and under delivering are extremely dangerous business practices. Be careful, this may become a slippery slope. Please note, in my questions, I specifically stated that I was simply asking questions, not insinuating, bashing or blindly following either side. Also note, that not ONE of those questions were ever addressed. These same questions were posted on several threads to which the APBA LLC and or its representatives posted multiple times. Does this not at least cause you some element of concern as to why these questions were simply overlooked and not addressed? I would think that if there was no basis in fact with regard to the same, that APBA LLC and or its representatives would have made specific mention of such as they would clearly want to clarify any misunderstanding that may be circulating. Again, please note that I asked these same questions in a respectful manner. I will always tell it as I see it whether people like it or not. That is just me.

The questions I asked to which you are commenting I felt are pertinant to the subject at hand. Mr. Allweiss claims here on OSO that "we" I am assuming that includes himself, have invested much of their own money into offshore racing and that they have lost money. However, on another message board he has made no bones about the fact he draws a signifcant six figure income from the LLC. Seems to me that it is difficult to have it both ways. If you do some research on the topic of the LLC making money at the business of sanctioning races, I CLEARLY stood behind them. I specifically stated that it was their business and they simply have a right to do so. They are not running a philanthropic organization. So again, my posts have NOT been mostly in opposition to or against APBA. I have stayed neutral and called a spade a spade. Please be more careful when drawing such conclusions. I agree that there are others that clearly have an axe to grind or an ulterior motive. Such is not the case with myself.

Best wishes for a speedy recovery and as stated before, I hope that this most unfortunate of circumstances will be resolved soon, and to the benefit of the racers, sponsors and fans alike.

Start over? Wow, talk about total disregard for the racers and their sponsors.

Shane
Mike was only asking you some questions.
Read his message again - he was asking why you are digging and asking so many personal and business questions on APBA.
Unless I missed it,, he never said you were mostly in opposition to APBA.
But from reading your response to a question that wasn't even asked,, dont you think anyone would draw a conclusion about your position after reading the posts?
APBA is working their a$$ off to make this series the best offshore series ever.And despite the problems theyve been dealt.I talk to racers daily most say that they are positive about APBA and understand the hardships Offshore deals with that car racing, snowmobiling and motocross racing doesnt ever have to worry about.They are worlds apart as far as logistics go.
Of course the MIlls/Worlds deal was NOT a good thing for offshore racing and APBA knows it.Absolutely.Its a disaster.
But when your wife asks for a divorce, (MILLS-APBA) there's not a damn thing you can do.Beggin and pleading wont help and while shes out cheating and taking everthing you've worked for,do you really want her back?
So what do you do?
START OVER. Just move on and do what you can to make good things happen despite it all.Work through it and put in safety nets (pre-nupts) to see that it doesnt happen again.
Many teams are now going to Orange Beach with APBA.But some are set with KW.After all who wants to keep bi**ching when they can be out there racing???:D

SHUT UP AND RACE!
 

SHUT UP AND RACE - should be our theme for the remainder of the season. Leave the dead horse alone he ain't moving! BH

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ModMachine
Shane
Mike was only asking you some questions.
Read his message again - he was asking why you are digging and asking so many personal and business questions on APBA.
Unless I missed it,, he never said you were mostly in opposition to APBA.

I stand corrected and my appologies to Mike. However, following your line of thought, is not fairly clear his intended message?

But from reading your response to a question that wasn't even asked,, dont you think anyone would draw a conclusion about your position after reading the posts?

Not necessarily.

APBA is working their a$$ off to make this series the best offshore series ever.And despite the problems theyve been dealt.I talk to racers daily most say that they are positive about APBA and understand the hardships Offshore deals with that car racing, snowmobiling and motocross racing doesnt ever have to worry about.They are worlds apart as far as logistics go.

Granted the logisitcs issues are different. Then simply do not state that the problems of venues changing and or cancelling have been solved, via stating that the schedule is set in stone and no further changes will be made. Again making promises that cannot be delivered.

Of course the MIlls/Worlds deal was NOT a good thing for offshore racing and APBA knows it.Absolutely.Its a disaster.
But when your wife asks for a divorce, (MILLS-APBA) there's not a damn thing you can do.Beggin and pleading wont help and while shes out cheating and taking everthing you've worked for,do you really want her back?
So what do you do?

The LLC has been at this long enough, and been to these same venues, yes KW, several times to know who they need to contact and what permits and doumentation needs to be in order. For an organization that is so contract conscious and so quick to threaten/induce litigation, I would think these issues would have been addressed. Furthermore, since this is their WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS, and the nostalgia and history surrounding KW, in addition to the promises made, sponsors obtained and reservations and expenses endured, why would they not have had this finalized when they made the promise to the racers? If the LLC truly wants to be the "next great motorsport" would they not have these details in order long ago, giving themselves enough time to overcome any obstacles that might come their way? I understand they had the litigation issue this summer, but that is still no excuse. I DO commend them on finding an alternate location so quickly however.

START OVER. Just move on and do what you can to make good things happen despite it all.Work through it and put in safety nets (pre-nupts) to see that it doesnt happen again.

]ModMachine, I do not know how long you have been involved with or around this sport, but unfortunately since the sports earliest days, these exact same issues have been problems. This is not the first time, nor is it the second or third. Many have come and gone promising to put these problems to rest etc etc etc. The LLC has been at this 3 years or so now and it is still happening. Granted they have made tremendous strides in the classes etc. However, don't put the cart before the horse. You need venues to race in before you can worry about the class specifics. Obviously the problem that inherently stems from that is what came first, the chicken or the egg? Clearly it is a magnificant task to say the least. Again, these same issues have plagued this sport for decades. Dozens upon dozens of racers and volunteers have come and gone over the years all entering with visions of grandeur and most leaving with faces of disappointment. Why? Because no matter the promises, no one has been able to deliver. A really sad shame. Am I insinuating that SBI is any better because they have firm dates and locations? NO! I am merely showing that ensuring an event happens at a specific location on a specific date is not an insurmountable task. Clearly SBI has issues of its own, but we are not addressing those today and I am no more in support of Bubba than I am in support of Mike A. Again, just asking the tough questions that have yet to be addressed.

Many teams are now going to Orange Beach with APBA.But some are set with KW.After all who wants to keep bi**ching when they can be out there racing???:D [/QUOTE

Look guys:

In this country, anybody has a right to ask questions. And to make a fool about himself.

Last I looked, I couldn't find an inalienable right to receive answers.

That really added to the value of the discussion. :rolleyes: BTW, what is "making a fool ABOUT himself" mean?

Why is it that when I simply asked questions and stuck to my point you have to stoop to the level of such comments? You are absolutely right that no one HAS to answer my questions. I never said there anything about answering questions as being part of the Bill Of Rights either. I simply trying to obtain specific information regarding a situation. If the answers to those questions are such that the LLC is in the "right" and Mr. Mills is in the "wrong" there should be nothing to be concerned about. Seems to me that you state there are a few members that are hell bent on ruining this wonderful thing, yet you get awefully touchy when someone asks simple questions. I reiterate, if there is nothing to be concerned with I would think that the LLC would want these rumors to be verified as such and the truth be known.

You have mastered the dishing it out part.
Now, work on the taking it in part.

Or even better: It's a beautifull Fall day. The sun is shining. Go take the boat out. I will.

Sorry sir, but I believe you are mistaken. I have not dished out anything. I simply asked questions. I have not been demeaning, derogatory, arrogant, cocky etc etc etc. I simply asked and stated my point. If you find that to be dishing it out, I would refer you to the threads where I unveiled an OSO member to be the crook he is. In the process I took tremendous heat from his friends at the time and OSO Board gods. Well for 4 years I stood my ground and you know what? the truth won out. Unfortunately at the expense of these same people who accused me of the same thing you are. Please show me where I have not been able to "take it in" as you describe. Again, I am simply calling it as I see it and have not made any inferences, accusations or otherwise. Simply put, I am still looking for the answers to the questions. What is so difficult for you to accept about that?:confused:

Joker, WELL SAID!!! Can we just go and finish three races? DAMN!!!
Remember, WE ALL LOVE BOAT RACING...

Cya in Ft. Lauderdale, ST. Pete and Orange Beach.

Ben

Who ever wishes to follow the path of the APBA and Mike A please continue to do so,the rest of you who are mostly not racers continue your *****ing somewhere else because as you can see it is not doing anyone any good,and if you really care about the sport you will do so.And who really cares about the personal side of Mike A as long as he continues to do the best he can for the sport because he and all of the support staff are certainly doing a better job than any else has. So quit your *****in and go racing,see every on in FT LAUDERDALE.

ONCE AGAIN.....this is not *****ing. I am simply asking questions in an effort to have a somewhat intellectual discussion of the issues at hand. Geesh!

This is about honest progress and evolving toward a better product. When all of you see how Orange Beach has a race cource that could eventually pack as many as 500,000 people along the shore and in the condos facing the water. This is what takes the racing to another level. Spectators! People! Cheering and screeming and waving. All the locations will have to be able to get the fans there.

Hey Shane,
The issue at hand is not about Mike A and his income,it is about boat racing and all of the people that are actually involved with the sport racers and sponsors.The last I knew of you racing was in Key West when the deck was ripped off of Nickys boat with you at the wheel/remember I was there and you cant sit there and tell anyone that the way APBA is handling the races & events is not better than the way it was in the past,can you .If you think so step up to the plate and show us a better way,you could start by pulling that 24 skater out and actually participating in a event in stead of bashing the people who put on the event or whatever else you seem to have a problem with.I dont care if anyone is making a living on boat racing,and I hope someday they can,but until then shut up or put upand lets go racing,why dont you get Nicky to pull out the 32 skater and maybe he will let you run it with him as long as you promise not to tear the deck off of this boat,just kidding,I know that he thinks it was all your fault.We all need to stand up for our sport and Mike A and hopefully it will continue to go in the right direction.

ttt

Spectators!!! Fans!!! People!!! Organized particapation!!
More spectators!!! More fans!!! More people!!!

Shane said,"Please see Mr. David's post to verify that such locations are able to be established and locked in for Hydros that have 12 boats and offshore brings in that many times 4 or 5. Why is it that offshore has had this same problem for decades and hydros have not?"


You have GOT to be joking me Shane.
Shane you tell us you are just 'asking questions' but really your just spreading a lot of garbage on here fed to you by someone else that you dont know a whole lot about.
Do you even know the hydros only had SIX races this year?Not one single one was a new race site.They are clinging by a thread to some very very OLD races.What about the other OLD races?Where's the Owensboro race?The Hawaii race?The Dallas race?The Lake Mead race?The Havasu Race?
How can Steve David try to state that hydros dont ever have trouble keeping race sites?Give me a friggin break.
Even the oldest race in American history,The Gold Cup almost didnt happen.A month before the event,the race was canceled then the date reestablished just WEEKS before.Teams had to do a mad scramble but there were only 11 of them so it was not as big a deal as it is when it happens to offshore.
Read on.


No money so hydros canceled

May 2, 2003


BY ERIC SHARP
FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER


Beset by years of debt, the Detroit Gold Cup unlimited hydroplane race has been called off for June 22. The event might be rescheduled for Aug. 24 if financial details can be worked out with DaimlerChrysler, the title sponsor.

A race official, who asked not to be identified, said the Spirit of Detroit organization that put on the four-day Thunderfest Weekend faced the same financial hole as last year, about $350,000 to $400,000. The official said the race committee simply ran out of time in its efforts to find sponsors who would pay off some of the debt so that the race could be held.

The event, first held in 1904, is one of the oldest in motor sports. In recent years, it has brought 200-m.p.h., jet-turbine powered hydroplanes to race on the Detroit River's famed 2.5-mile course near Belle Isle.

Last summer, race organizers received last-minute financial support from Chrysler, Ford, General Motors and several other Detroit area businesses, and the 700 race volunteers scrambled to pull off an event on about six weeks' notice.

But most of that financial support was in the form of loan guarantees. The Spirit of Detroit group was unable to raise enough money to make a significant reduction in the debt or convince some of the creditors to accept smaller amounts. In fact, at least two of those creditors have filed suit to collect what they say they are owed.

Hydro Prop Inc., the Florida firm that runs the unlimited circuit, has agreed to the Aug. 24 date if the race committee and Chrysler can work out a financial agreement next week.

Phil Linsalata, who took over as the volunteer president of the race, said he would resign within a couple of days because the August date would conflict with races he was bringing to Wyandotte two weekends earlier.

~

Shane said: "If you re-read what I have said in prior posts either here or in other threads about the APBA, you will note that I have said that they (the LLC) have certainly made much progress, however, I think we all can agree that more still needs to be made. However, I CAN say that promises have been made about events being set in stone and they are NOT! I do not make promises I cannot fulfill."

Sorry Shane.If you dont like it when races are not set in stone for the year.,then boat racing is not the place for you.Race course trouble is and always has been very much a part of boat racing.Noise,pollution,manatee,sea turles,lack of city support,kids sailing interference,Womens glee club refusing dock access-All known to make boat racing have a hard time.I think the LLC is doing pretty well considering they've got even more than others to contend with.
One race in a different circuit was cancelled this summer because the local water patrol didnt like how the bouys were anchored!Another was cancelled because of SARS.Cypress Gardens?Gone!!
But even you admit theres been much progress in offshore with the LLC in charge.
Damn right there!
So why are so many of you trying to break that progress down?Whats up with that?????
Now my question.You said an APBA member is behind you feeding you your questions?
Who is that person? And what is his purpose?

Mod Machine,

Thanks for the reply. First, PLEASE DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND MY POSITION! If I have been ineffective at presenting it I will try and be more clear. I am in full support of offshore. I grew up around it and and raced multiple boats in multiple classes. I think the main reasons why there are only 12 boats or so in Unlimiteds are multiple. I hate to diverge from the threads intended topic but your comments in reply to Mr. David's warrant a reply. And a respectful one.

1. Unlimiteds are INCREDIBLY expensive.
2. The number of people talented enough and with the balls to drive them are few and far between.

Yes, Unlimiteds have been racing at teh same locations for years and that is exactly Mr. Davids and my point as well. And even when things got real close to not happening it somehow came together. KW is just one of those places. This morning I received an email from a friend that is a racer and he shed some more light on the subject for me. He asked I keep it in confidence and I will respect his wishes. I hope he is correct, because if he is, I think 2004 and 2005 should be big steps forward for the sport.

With regard to your following point/question, "You said an APBA member is behind you feeding you your questions? Who is that person? And what is his purpose?" First let me say this. He is not feeding me any questions. He spoke with me regarding the recent events. He shared with me his understanding and perspectives. His thoughts and information prompted ME to ask those questions FOR MYSELF. I don't believe in giving out others names without their express permission, I am sorry but that would breach his trust. I do not believe he has any purpose or hidden agenda. I surely could be wrong, but at this point I have no reason to believe so. Again, I am just asking. What is so bad about that? I am NOT trying to launch an assault on Offshore nor am I trying to discredit amy organization. Why do I have to constantly repeat myself? Make no mistake about it, I call it as I see it and I am the first to admit when I am wrong. But what is there to be wrong about b merely asking questions?

With regard to your comment about race venues being an inherent problem in offshore racing...I agree and I believe I made tha abundantly clear in prior posts. Additionally, please note, in other posts as well I state that I have not raced in several years for these very same reasons. So you are correct, dealing with those issues not my gig so I have chosen to discontinue racing for now and simply go poker and fun running. But again this is mere reiteration of what I have already said countless times.

As I said before, I hope my posts have made my position clear and I stand fully behind the progrssion of racing, just not all the politics and nonsense that have been a part of it since its infancy.

Shane,
If you honestly believe race venues are an inherent problem with boat racing then why are you coming down so hard on APBA for the KW deal???I noticed you never asked Mills any questions and he should be asked some of these hard questions too.you even admitted in aother thread that about 500 (10%) of your postings on OSO are about APBA.But you have nothing to ask Mills about???
I do think that asking questions of all involved is a good practise.From everyone.But Sometimes its better not to have someone as you admitted above,,, 'prompting' you to ask them.If that guy is honest and concerned and proactive,LEt him make the calls and ask the questions himself.From the way you described him and how he wants to stay hidden while you take heat he sounds a little like a weasel to me.That just comes from personal experience with those shadowy types.Dont let him use you like that Shane.
I admire you for being curious though,since you dont race anymore,,,but if you look agian you really are not simply just asking questions here.You are also making statements like when you agreed with Steve when he said hydros dont have venue change problems like the LLC.Or when supported Cashbrian when he announced that the Orange Beach race was not going to be UIM.Thats when I felt I had to point out,,,not that I wanted to,,,but the facts are hydros have lost more race venues than they ran this year.WHen they are that far away from the truth and not purely just innocent questions I feel the need to respond.But When they come from an unknown third party and are absent of facts they start to look a lot like personal digs.
Come on now.Nobody wanted to see KW go down like it did.Not the LLC,,,not the sponsors,the fans,,the townsfolk,especially not the teams.Im sure Mills has regrets about cutting out the LLC now too.Pretty dumb move IMO.But whats done is done here.What good does it do to anyone to rehash and rehash it out on this forum???So Lets stop all this groin kicking while LLCs down nonsense and wait to see how this quick partnering of LLC and Orange Beach turns out before we cry total distaster.
SHUT UP AND RACE :D

Hey I got a great idea lads....why don't we send out the donation tray and buy em all UIM, APBA, APBA Offshore LLC, SBI, FBI, DEA, EPA, FDA, and whoever else in the world wants to throw in their initials too......The you will be truly KING of the WORLD....it's a conspiracy I tell you just listen to the voices in your head what they are telling you? The newspapers are now in code to have the evil martian dictators take over the world....and last but not least Ben and Jerry's ice cream is really high powered mind altering drug that puts you in a hypnotic trance to conquer the Pillsbury Factory and reinvent Hagen Dazs Ice Cream..........Bah Humbug

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In all seriousness the above reminds me alot of some of past ravings about a whole lot of nonsense. The fact of the matter if you could get the sanctioning bodies to unite and above all actually AGREE on how it should be operated then you are making progress, until then you will have what we have now. It's not a bad thing just a somewhat confusing thing at times. I will say however that the rule enforcement adhered to by Mike A & Offshore has certainly made that series extremely competitive. SBI still has the Superboat Class as does Offshore in the Performance Classes. So this presents the racers with the right to choose whatever body they want to compete in and ultimately the right to debate which one is better. Now with all of my mindless ranting over I will say this; SHUT UP AND RACE!!! Quote "The Joker" never more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cool: :cool: