Questions gone unanswered...
 

Okay, bear with me here. This is gonna take a few minutes to copy and paste and because I am not so great with computer I will be toggling back and forth. Please refrain froom replying till I have completed and notified of such. Thanks.;)

I have a few questions:

1. Wasn't Lee Mills part of the original group of investors in the LLC?

2. Wasn't Lee Mills a former member/officer of the LLC?

3. Did Mr. Mills loan the LLC and a specific individual money above and beyond the terms of the original investment in the LLC?

4. What happened when Mr. Mills asked to see a record of how and where that same money was spent?

5. Was that same money ever accounted for? Or was it lost in the "Abyss"?

6. Does the LLC still owe this money to Mr. Mills?

7. Did the LLC ever offer to repay this same money to Mr. Mills using APBA dues to be paid at the Worlds, which is money that is supposed to go to APBA Detroit for the upcoming years membership fees/dues?

8. Is Mr. Mills still a member/officer of the LLC? If not why not?

9. If he is not an officer but a debt holder of the LLC and they reorganize under another name, say...Offshore Racing League, and declare themselves insolvent, does that not free the LLC and its members of any liability to any possible monies owed to Mr. Mills if in fact there are any?

Before anyone jumps down my throat for not blindly following the LLC, or for supporting Mr. Mills, I am doing NEITHER! I am simply asking specific questions whose answers may or may NOT be based in material fact. I am just ASKING! Not insinuating or anything else. If anyone can provide more insight I am certain that it would be extremely helpful for all those concerned. Thank you in advance to anyone who may be able to shed some more light on this most unfortunate of circumstances.

you are just a pain in the ass! hahahahaha

But I still love ya! :p :p :D :D

It is one of my more endearing qualities!;) :D

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Originally posted by Fever Mike
Joker, and that is a fight I would not want to be involved in!

Shane I have no idea who you are but I do know most of your post's are towards APBA Offshore and usually contain lot's of digging, personal and business questions.

Do you race with APBA? What boat do you race? Are you a APBA member?

I am just trying to get a better feel for why you are asking the type of questions you do.

Take care, Mike Carter
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Mike,

First, please re-evaluate your above statement. Most of my posts are NOT about APBA. I have nearly 5000 posts and I would be willing to bet that less than 5 to 10% of them specifically address APBA. If you find otherwise, I will gladly stand corrected. Furthermore, I have been a member of OSO since its infancy, however I chose at that time to not become a Charter member. Please see my member number. When did you join? I comment and participate in everything from Poker Run discussions, to political topics, to technical assistance and more. You may note that typically I speak about what I know and have no apprehension about calling a spade a spade. As stated earlier, when I am wrong I admit it and take my lumps when appropriate. However, I think if you review my comments/questions about APBA you will see that I have not bashed them, only asked the "tough questions". As for my experience, I began my racing career in motocross and snowmobiles, and attained the professional level. Keep in mind in those disciplines, to become a professional you have to earn the priviledge to obtain a pro license. The decision to award you such a license is predicated on your past success and your ability, determined by a panel via an application process. You simply do not have to pay an equipment and membership fee, pass a DOT or FAA physical and show up at the race as is the case in offshore. I have raced APBA, USO, SBI etc. I have many wins under my belt and with the exception of 3 races (2 we broke the other we ran out of fuel, none of these occurrences happened in the Pro-Stock boat) I have never finished worse than third. I have raced and won in Shadow Cats against boats that are/were far more expensive, years newer and technologically advanced. Obviously, winning in a boat that was 20 years old speaks for itself. Additionally, I have raced Sutphen's, Active Thunders and Velocity's. I have raced the Old Pro-Stock class, now Super Cat Light Outboard, the old B Class and Factory 2. I have won from the front and come from the rear, I have stuffed and nearly been killed and I have come close to going over more than once. At this time I am not a member, racing or otherwise of any racing sanctioning body, however, I maintain friendships with people who are. I am a member of several powerboat /poker run clubs. I raced in Key West when it was truly a World Championship event, when USO, APBA and SBI all competed together against one another for ONE Championship. I have also competed when there were several different World Championships, which I believe is ridiculous. How many Superbowls and World Series are there? Currently, I enjoy Poker Runs and Fun Runs. I am married, have ayellow lab named Zoe, 3 snowmobiles, 2 PWC's, a Skater, a Formula and I am lieutenant of my local volunteer fire department. I am a member of the Glens Falls Kiwanis Club, and a past member of the business outreach committee, mayor's office, city of Glens Falls. I am an Investment Realtions Officer with Ayco Asset Management, a division of Goldman Sachs. I hold my series 7, 63, 65 and life licenses and am a Registered Investment Advisor. I hope this qualifies me to ask the tough questions and participate in the thread.

I too know very little about yourself. I am sorry for your troubles with regard to your leg. Your drive and ambition, in conjunction with your tenacity are admirable. Have you ever raced? Are you a member of a sanctioning body? I would like to know who you are in more depth as you always seem to support APBA regardless of the circumstance. Blind faith in my eyes is a dangerous proposition. Keep in mind that this is an open forum and many of us have paid to post here. Additionally, if sanctioning bodies are going to come on here and use forums such as OSO to promote their business, make specific promises (i.e. the schedule is set in stone and there will be no further changes), and they are funded with members dues, is it not fair that we can pose these questions? Or, should we just take what they say as gospel? Over promising and under delivering are extremely dangerous business practices. Be careful, this may become a slippery slope. Please note, in my questions, I specifically stated that I was simply asking questions, not insinuating, bashing or blindly following either side. Also note, that not ONE of those questions were ever addressed. These same questions were posted on several threads to which the APBA LLC and or its representatives posted multiple times. Does this not at least cause you some element of concern as to why these questions were simply overlooked and not addressed? I would think that if there was no basis in fact with regard to the same, that APBA LLC and or its representatives would have made specific mention of such as they would clearly want to clarify any misunderstanding that may be circulating. Again, please note that I asked these same questions in a respectful manner. I will always tell it as I see it whether people like it or not. That is just me.

The questions I asked to which you are commenting I felt are pertinant to the subject at hand. Mr. Allweiss claims here on OSO that "we" I am assuming that includes himself, have invested much of their own money into offshore racing and that they have lost money. However, on another message board he has made no bones about the fact he draws a signifcant six figure income from the LLC. Seems to me that it is difficult to have it both ways. If you do some research on the topic of the LLC making money at the business of sanctioning races, I CLEARLY stood behind them. I specifically stated that it was their business and they simply have a right to do so. They are not running a philanthropic organization. So again, my posts have NOT been mostly in opposition to or against APBA. I have stayed neutral and called a spade a spade. Please be more careful when drawing such conclusions. I agree that there are others that clearly have an axe to grind or an ulterior motive. Such is not the case with myself.

Best wishes for a speedy recovery and as stated before, I hope that this most unfortunate of circumstances will be resolved soon, and to the benefit of the racers, sponsors and fans alike.


Last edited by Shane on 09-26-2003 at 09:28 AM

Okay that's good for now.

God Dang Liars....DUH.. Meant Lawyers..

I hope it all will work out?????????



For the love of the Sport..:eek:

or $$$$$$$$

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Originally posted by 1HYPER1
Hey Shane,
The issue at hand is not about Mike A and his income,it is about boat racing and all of the people that are actually involved with the sport racers and sponsors.

My Reply: The issue at hand is about APBA LLC making promises they have not fulfilled, i.e races/venues set in stone. Please see Mr. David's post to verify that such locations are able to be established and locked in for Hydros that have 12 boats and offshore brings in that many times 4 or 5. Why is it that offshore has had this same problem for decades and hydros have not? Also see SBI. Again, DO NOT READ MORE INTO THIS THAN WHAT IT IS! I have stated earlier and MUTLTIPLE times that I am not supporting or bashing ANY organization, I am simply calling it as I see it and asking questions. As a sponsor, why would I want to put money into a sport, based on demographics, (see Joyce Julius Reports and the demographics published by APBA LLC) that I cannot rely upon? i.e. venues are NOT set in stone (as promised) and CHANGES happen regularly. If you have ever solicited sponsor dollars you should be well aware that demographics i.e. exposure and impressions per event, are primary concerns of marketing and advertising managers. The issue is also that claims are made that the LLC directors have put a lot of their own money into races etc., yet Mike A also states he draws a hefty 6 figure income. Which is it? Again, see my other posts from way back when I specifically stated that he has every right to earn a living from this company, the LLC. Furthermore, this is a discussion board where we are supposed to be able to have intellectual discussions about topics that effect the sport we all enjoy. If we cannot DISCUSS these things openly and fairly, then there really is no discussion at all. It is then simply a place where we should come to get instructions from our fearless leaders.

The last I knew of you racing was in Key West when the deck was ripped off of Nickys boat with you at the wheel/remember I was there and you cant sit there and tell anyone that the way APBA is handling the races & events is not better than the way it was in the past,can you .

My Reply: I will assume that is a question. Well, I guess YOU haven't paid much attention then have you? Since racing with Nicky in1996 I have raced AS STATED EARLIER (please re-read this entire thread as well as others about this same topic, I think you will find the answers to all of your questions contained therein) I have raced 2 different boats in B class and one in Factory 2. Additionally, who are you? How can I remember that you were there when I don't even know who you are? You have not identified yourself. If you re-read what I have said in prior posts either here or in other threads about the APBA, you will note that I have said that they (the LLC) have certainly made much progress, however, I think we all can agree that more still needs to be made. However, I CAN say that promises have been made about events being set in stone and they are NOT! I do not make promises I cannot fulfill.

If you think so step up to the plate and show us a better way,you could start by pulling that 24 skater out and actually participating in a event in stead of bashing the people who put on the event or whatever else you seem to have a problem with.

I have no desire to manage a racing body. However, that does not preclude myself, or anyone else from attempting to have an intelligent and rational discussion of the topics at hand. Or are the only people allowed to discuss such things those that have currently paid equipment fees and race? What's more, I have no desire to race my personal boat. To much expense in terms of repairs etc., risk of damage etc etc etc. AGAIN, I am NOT bashing. How is asking questions bashing? With all due respect you seem to be posting based on emotion not fact. See your quote directly above where you fail to identify what I have a problem with. ONCE AGAIN, I have NO PROBLEM. I am simply ASKING! Why is that so difficult for some people to understand? If I am SO WAY off base as you all seem to think, I again ASK, why have these questions NOT been answered? If there is nothing contained therin that would indicate any wrong doing then there should be no reason to be concerned in answering the same. As stated earlier, these are questions that I have based on information provided to me by an APBA member to which I am seeking verification/clarification. I would think that the LLC board would want clarification brought to this matter quickly.

I dont care if anyone is making a living on boat racing,and I hope someday they can,but until then shut up or put upand lets go racing,why dont you get Nicky to pull out the 32 skater and maybe he will let you run it with him as long as you promise not to tear the deck off of this boat,just kidding,I know that he thinks it was all your fault.We all need to stand up for our sport and Mike A and hopefully it will continue to go in the right direction.

My Reply: I have put up. I HAVE raced in APBA, SBI and USO. I have also recognized as have so many past racers that I would much prefer to do poker runs. However, I don't think that precludes me from entering into discussions on racing. Although Nicky thinks that we stuffed somehow due to my driving when we were out front all by ourselves after passing Kamakaze, I would still have him throttle again in a minute. I AM standing up for our sport. I do not believe in blindly following though. If this sport is EVER going to progress to anything more (which I hope it does but have my reservations) open and honest leadership is needed. Poor Gene Whipp is probably turning over in his grave. If in fact you do race, again, I have no idea who you are, best wishes and be safe and remember I am simply ASKING, not accusing anyone of anything, just ASKING the tough questions

Not to sound ignorant or anything but I am new to this board and to the sport in general compared to many who are here. I dont know anything about Lee Mills or the unfortunate polictics that go on in our sport in both the professional and recreational aspects. Given the fact that politics are much to common in my line of work when they should not be I tend to not give a "rats a$$" about the politics in offshore boating. Maybe I am being naive about it but I still view the sport in general with a childish enamoration of the fun involved. Because of this, I have some questions myself. The coverage of Offshore boating is very limited where I live. Most people around here would not know the difference between a Cigarette and a Fountain. Many locals think of Four Winns Liberators as high performance boats. Good as they are in their own right they are not the same.

Is there any source where I can read/learn more about the APBA history or who runs it?

Is there any source that offers a good comprehensive library of the world of Poker Runs?

Who are the power players and how does one get involved?

And a personal inquiry of how can one get into Offshore Racing?

Like I said before, I personally do not care much about the politics in a personal sense but would at least like to be informed of whos who and whats what as to prevent myself from being ignorant on the subject. The sport is too much fun and I would like to keep it that way.

Shane, please give it a rest. I have no axe to grind in either direction, but these types of posts become tiresome to say the least. What diffference does it make to the other 11,000 members if your questions are answered or not. Since that post has already died a natural death, it's obvious that nobody else is interested in delving farther into it. If it's something that needs to be answered personally for you by a certain person, take it offline and email or pm them.

Questions gone unanswered....

Not taking anyones side here, but seeing you have no vested intrested in either side what warrants a explanation to you????? and why do you think you deserve or rate one??? many things in life go unanswered especially in politics, and business.
If Mike A elects not to answer your questions for any reason at all, that is his choice. If this inturn persuades you to never attend another APBA, APBA LLC, ORL or whatever race that is your choice. Can we move on,
Like how about those 24 ft skaters they are bad aZZ!!!